[Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!

[jeanne LIOTTA]

UBU-SOUND is up and running!

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Beth Capper <capper.beth at gmail.com> wrote:

> The difference is for/not-for profit. Canyon, I would imagine, has their
> own fee in addition to artists fees, while I doubt anyone at Ubu is getting
> rich off their free content.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Matt Helme <dcinema2134 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, why not do it the right way? Would Canyon Cinema ever distribute a
>> film without the makers permission?
>> Matt
>>
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>> *From:* "jack at jacktext.net" <jack at jacktext.net>
>> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> *Sent:* Wed, October 13, 2010 10:15:36 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!
>>
>> Allowing people to see things - people who live in, say, the developing
>> world, not in New York or London or wherever - letting them know there's
>> more to cinema than the latest blockbuster - can only be of value. Not
>> everything is available on DVD. Many countries practice censorship. Ubuweb
>> offers / offered a celebration of the possibilities in creative practice
>> that otherwise people may never get to experience.
>>
>> BTW there's also evidence that people who LIKE stuff they find online
>> subsequently purchase it.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14/10/2010, at 12:45 PM, Matt Helme wrote:
>>
>> To not get permission is rude and illegal.
>> Matt
>>
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>> *From:* "jack at jacktext.net" <jack at jacktext.net>
>> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> *Sent:* Wed, October 13, 2010 8:59:12 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!
>>
>> http://jacksargeant.blogspot.com/2010/10/vale-ubu.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14/10/2010, at 11:48 AM, Beth Capper wrote:
>>
>> And, if you ever read Cory Doctorow, you'll realize that yes, people do
>> buy the books even when it's out there for free (Doctorow's books are all
>> available online for download, yet two of them have been on bestseller's
>> lists). Could it perhaps be a misconception that forcing scarcity (esp. in
>> the case of digital works) is a good business model?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Beverly O'Neill <bevon1 at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jack,  Your point is well taken.  How do viewers get access to this
>>> kind of work?  However, UBU simply pirated artists films without asking
>>> permission, or paying a small fee to upload films onto their site.  Two
>>> years ago this listserv spent considerable time arguing about the validity
>>> of Ken Goldsmith's (UBU's creator) tactics.  If you backtrack in the
>>> Frameworks archive you can follow that thread.  Everything that was said
>>> then still applies today.  Many of the responses supported the case you are
>>> making now.  Obviously I was opposed.
>>>
>>> Don't close the library, don't prohibit access but do buy the books.
>>>
>>> Beverly O'
>>>
>>>
>>> "good news"?
>>>
>>> not for anybody who wants to see one of these movies, read an essay or
>>> listen to some sound who doesn't live in a major urban centre or have access
>>> to a museum. Maybe the copyright is an issue, but they made work available
>>> that often isn't readily accessible, and that counts for something.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is that regardless of anything, it's a resource and a
>>> library, and I've never been one for prohibiting access and closing
>>> libraries...
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14/10/2010, at 7:29 AM, Beverly O'Neill wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, this is such good news.  I will refrain from posting a screed about
>>> that site.  A Google search offers a number of condolences to Ken Goldsmith,
>>> UBU's founder.  One writer wondered if the anniversary of John Lennon's
>>> death and the simultaneous hacking of UBU had anything in common.
>>> So thrilled!
>>> Beverly O'Neill
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Shane Christian Eason wrote:
>>>
>>> So...yeah...um...apparently UBU is offline! Hacked!
>>>
>>> Considering what has been discussed in the past regarding this website,
>>> does anyone want to comment on this? Additional information? Very odd,
>>> considering I was on the site this past weekend. Although, my iPhone App
>>> for WFMU UbuWeb Radio continues to work.
>>>
>>> Curious,
>>>
>>> Shane
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