[Frameworks] cameraless films...or ?

[Tony Conrad]

My "7360 Sukiyaki" (1974) was prepared before the audience. The recipe included
strips of beef and various vegetables, and of course strips of E.K. 7360. After
cooking with oil and soy sauce over a burner in a 2000' film can, the pieces were
dipped in raw egg and immediately "projected" (cast forward) onto the screen. 

-----------t0ny




On Sun 12/26/10  1:02 AM , jeanne LIOTTA jeanli515 at gmail.com sent:
> REmedial Reading Comprehenison, Landow might be good too? Not a
> performace per se, but includes performative gestures inside the film
> and outside the film, as well as the idea of YOU the spectator.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Shelly Silver  wrote:
> yes, it's true very true roger, i was aware/nervous about this
> when i
> sent it, that's why i put 'play well together.'  i
> unfortunately don't
> have enough time/resources to spend an entire class on various
> performed camera-less films.  the frampton brings up a huge range
> of
> issues (among them sitting in the dark w/strangers) not only having
> to
> do with the fact that it's camera-less and i was hoping to
> expand out
> from there.  i also like the idea of starting off with the idea of
> reperformance (speaking in someone else's voice twice removed).
> i guess i'm casting the net wide, looking for experiments in
> thinking
> about film - i could also happily show a warhol in the mix
> (endurance/
> movement/non-movement).  again a question of accessibility and time
> and framing.
> shelly
> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Beebe,Roger W wrote:
> > Shelly,
> >
> > I was thinking that the subject line might actually be sending
> > people in the wrong direction.  If you were simply looking for
> > "cameraless" films, then there'd be a million suggestions
> (starting
> > with Len Lye, Norman McLaren, Harry Smith, et al.).  But the
> > Frampton is really about "filmless films," which it seems to me is
> a
> > really different matter.  A cameraless film is something that you
> > could still "get a copy" of; a "filmless film" has no body, is all
> > time and light and performance, so there'd be no way to simply
> get a
> > copy (like the Gibson/Recoder projector performances--at best you
> > could get a "documentation").  I do really like the suggestion of
> > the Morgan Fisher, but it's hard to come up with a long list
> of
> > films that are reproducible that are true to the spirit of
> > Frampton's musings on light & projectors.  (Of course, that
> > distinction could be an interesting part of the class discussion.)
> >
> > Two (more) cents,
> > Roger
> >
> > On Dec 25, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Shelly Silver wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks!  Do you know where I might get a copy of this?
> >>
> >>
> >> Shelly
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 25, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Madison Brookshire wrote:
> >>
> >>> Projection Instructions by Morgan Fisher.
> >>>
> >>> Madison Brookshire
> >>> Los Angeles
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Beebe,Roger W 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Get Luis Recoder and Sandra Gibson to come to your class and do
> >>>> some projector performances!  (That'd be the obvious fit,
> but I
> >>>> don't know how realistic it'd be to try to make that
> happen.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck,
> >>>> Roger
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 24, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Shelly Silver wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> dear all:
> >>>>> i'm doing a class with a reperformance of Hollis
> Frampton's 'A
> >>>>> Lecture' as its centerpiece.  Any suggestions of films
> that would
> >>>>> play
> >>>>> well with this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> best!
> >>>>> shelly
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