[Frameworks] Film's rupture/cartoons

[David Baker]

Gregg,

Since I hold your work in such high esteem,
it is a special pleasure to ruminate over these
cross-pollinations with you.

Looking at Osamu Tezuka's BROKEN DOWN FILM (1985)
which Jim brought to us,
I'd swear Tezuka might have had some knowledge
of Ken Jacob's TOM TOM THE PIPER"S SON (1969).

An index of potentialities to play with...

May the continuum never end,

David

On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:36 AM, gregg biermann wrote:

> David -- it is amazing when you consider the dates in relation to
> various European art-house films or American avant-garde films that  
> play
> with these ideas. So many of these cartoons from the late 1930's on  
> take
> pains to alert the audience of the fact that you are watching a movie
> and that it is constructed -- some though references to the process of
> projection and the material of film, some through the intrusion of
> non-diagetic material into the diagesis, and some through studied
> parodies of other films, etc.
>
> The same goes for a certain experimental attitude towards speed and
> timing in action and editing.
>
>
> On 4/19/2011 1:13 PM, David Baker wrote:
>> The gag Gregg cites occurred in a slightly different form
>> one year previously in 1938's DAFFY DUCK AND EGGHEAD. At one point
>> Egghead
>> (a shotgun wielding hunter) shoots a troublesome audience member (in
>> silhouette) outside the
>> fourth wall.
>>
>> Preceding the French New Wave, Tex Avery's oeuvre is rife with
>> instances of cinematic self-reference
>> and reflexivity, if not actual references to film as material per se.
>>
>> In LUCKY DUCKY, two dogs in hunting attire run out of a color film
>> ("Technicolor Ends Here") into a black and white picture momentarily.
>>
>> In HAPPY GO NUTTY Screwball Squirrel and Meathead run right past
>> the end title thereafter returning to reexamine their motivations in
>> order to reconstitute
>> a new albeit loonier ending.
>>
>> Midway through SCREWBALL SQUIRREL  the eponymous rodent
>> peels back the entire mise-en-scene so that he and we can see
>> what will happen next. Screwball Squirrel consistently breaks the
>> fourth wall by talking to the audience.
>>
>> On and on,
>>
>> DB
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2011, at 9:39 AM, gregg biermann wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> The one with the silhouette of the audience member standing (and
>>> interacting with a caricature of Edward G. Robinson in Little  
>>> Caesar)
>>> was an Avery WB Cartoon "Thugs with Dirty Mugs". The silhouette then
>>> remains past a cut into a new scene and rats out Edward to the cops.
>>> The same cartoon breaks the conventions of split screen when a
>>> character
>>> moves across the split.
>>>
>>> As Mark pointed out, in the Avery Cartoon "Magical Maestro" a
>>> character
>>> grabs what appears to be a hair in the projector gate and plucks it
>>> out.
>>> That was done at MGM.
>>>
>>> Medium specificity ... for the sake of humor.
>>>
>>> Gregg
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/19/2011 2:17 AM, Ken Bawcom wrote:
>>>> There is at least one Tex Avery cartoon where we see the film  
>>>> burn in
>>>> the gate. I don't recall the title, or even if it was for WB or  
>>>> MGM.
>>>> He did at least one where the character runs off the edge of the
>>>> film,
>>>> and we see the sprocket holes. I think that one was with MGM.He  
>>>> also
>>>> did the hair in the gate thing, and had at least one where a  
>>>> "member
>>>> of the audience" stood up, casting a shadow on the film. Sorry, I'm
>>>> too lazy to poke around The Big Cartoon Database (www.BCDb.com) and
>>>> try to come up with titles.
>>>>
>>>> Ken B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting David Baker<dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> During the cartoon Duck Amuck by Chuck Jones,
>>>>> for a time Daffy is left to prop the film frame up
>>>>> with a stick before it collapses in on him entirely.
>>>>>
>>>>> The film ends by revealing that a paint brush wielding
>>>>> Bugs Bunny as animator (outside the film) has been responsible for
>>>>> all
>>>>> of Daffy's
>>>>> phantasmagorical  predicaments.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Myron Ort wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like this term "film rupture" for self referential
>>>>>> manifestations.
>>>>>> In a film I am currently working on, a paint brush wielding
>>>>>> character
>>>>>> paints himself in a context where the brush strokes show up on  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> film itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Myron Ort
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>>>>
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>>>> Pete Townshend 1971
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