[Frameworks] optical printing questions - working in B&W

[John Woods]

I'm looking to increase grain and contrast in my original low contrast film but 
I don't want to completely obliterate the original image like Larose has done, 
(thanks for the link btw, very interesting!). But I think contacting NCL about 
buying some small amounts of print film is a great idea, I really need to do a 
lot of tests and I can't afford to be buying the huge minimum amounts from 
Kodak. Thanks!

JW





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From: andrew lennox <lew_ro at yahoo.ca>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 3:44:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] optical printing questions - working in B&W


Hi John,

I've never used 7363 for optical printing.  in my experience with the stock, the 
blacks are much denser than 7302, for the purpose of doing mattes.  this leads 
to be believe that it may have less latitude?  either way, both those stock will 
increase your contrast considerably.  i'm not sure what you are looking for but 
i would consider blowing up to a master positive (7366) to preserve details. 
 especially as you want to strike an interneg from that new master pos and then 
make your release prints.  that's a number of new generations.  i noticed that 
you have a yahoo.ca account so i'm assuming you're in canada?  sebastjan at 
niagara custom lab has a decent cache of 7366 so contact him and see if he can 
spool you  down some if you are interested in doing a comparative test.
i assume by tinted prints that you mean printing b/w neg to colour print?  if 
so, i have done this and seen it in the works of others.  it doesnt look great. 
 you can get it tinted to whatever colour you want.  i've done a sepia mimic 
colour and a blue to mimic cyanotype.  the colour is kinda interesting but the 
contrast is considerably flatter than printing the same bw neg to bw print.
oh, i think alexander larose used 7363 for optical printing in his film 930.  im 
not 100%  here's a link anyway:
http://www.lightcone.org/en/filmmaker-1352-alexandre-larose.html  

good luck,
andrew



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From: John Woods <jawoods01 at yahoo.ca>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 11:42:57 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] optical printing questions - working in B&W


I've also got a couple questions about printing but with working with B&W 
material. I've got some Super 8 Plus-X that was hand processed in D-76 
to negative that I am interested in blowing up to 16mm.  There are some optical 
effects that I want to do with it (freeze frames and step printing). I've got 
some 7363 on hand to work with. I'm wondering whether it would be better to do a 
straight blow up to a stock like 7302 (or other stock) and then print from that 
onto the 7363 to create the effects and an internegative or to do it the other 
way around, & blow up to 7363 and then print to 7302?
 
I intend to do some tests with the 7363 but would appreciate any advice on S8 
blowups. My printing experience is limited and only with available camera 
stocks, I don't have experience with print stocks. I would also be interested to 
hear from anyone who has used a colour print stock to create tinted prints.

Many thanks.
 
JW
 
 

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 From: Christopher Harris <charris91 at hotmail.com>
To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 4:12:26 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] optical printing questions

 Hello all,

I would like to make optical prints of color originals but before I begin I want 
to make sure I don't make things more difficult than necessary.  I have printed 
to 7399 once upon a time but I know that stock is long gone so I can't quite 
wrap my head around the workflow for color.  Can anyone suggest optimal workflow 
and  color print stocks to use (if there are any)?

Briefly: I plan to shoot color neg and have work-prints made at a lab.  Next I 
want to optically re-print the lab produced work-prints with color filters but I 
have no idea what stock I should use in the optical printer's camera.  Oh, and I 
plan to finish with sound on film and I'll be shooting all 16mm.

Any advice?

Thanks,

CH
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