[Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

Mon Aug 29 18:22:38 CDT 2011

Arron,

ATA was founded in the 80's? wonder how that makes it stuck in the 60's? And Craig Baldwin's programming at Other Cinema has always been 
focused on new and exciting work. He is as far from the structured establishment as you can get. And the Burning Man people are all out of 
town so enjoy yourself for once... don't think I've really seen them at experimental film shows... at least not with feathered hats. I too
dislike the old guard but you obviously didn't read Steve Polta's email fully. I don't comment on this list much primarily because it seems
to be full of people blowing hot air(via type) in order to make themselves feel more important. I can not comment on Black Hole because
I have yet to attend the space but there is more going on in regards to underground film here then anyplace in this beautiful country that I have been to.

Now I too have my issues with people being stuck in the 60's and the egotistical nature of burning man but that's got nothing to do with this.
I would recommend Mr. Elsaesser check out ATA, and keep and open ear for shows at New Nothing Cinema when he gets to San Francisco and
try to have a good time. Tons of artists are making new movies out here all the time, underground film may of gone a bit more under but it's
running strong out west. 

dk

> From: zeno at sonic.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:47:42 -0700
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
> 
> Now tell us how you really feel.
> Just kidding. I wouldn't be surprised if what you say is true. I 
> dropped out long ago to grow my own veges in the country.
> 
> Myron Ort
> 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Aaron F. Ross wrote:
> 
> > The avant-garde film scene in this town has
> > really degenerated in the last ten years. I took
> > a break for a while to work on other things, and
> > when I came back I found that the scene I knew
> > and loved had fallen on hard times.
> >
> > I can't recommend San Francisco as a place to
> > find new and exciting avant-garde motion picture
> > events. The venues Steve mentioned seem to be
> > stuck in the 60's. I have nothing against
> > structuralism, etc. per se, but frankly I see a
> > lack of imagination and an inability to embrace
> > new methods. This is an ill omen.
> >
> > Don't come here expecting a vibrant community.
> > It's stodgy, eccentric, self-absorbed, insular,
> > and profoundly unimaginative. The old guard have
> > no mojo left in them, and the young people are
> > too busy fluffing their Burning Man costumes to do anything 
> > revolutionary.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 8/29/2011, you wrote:
> >> Several exhibition venues in the San Francisco
> >> Bay Area, all of which will be presented
> >> substantial programs of what could be considered
> >> avant-garde/experimental/underground works in
> >> the coming months (presented alphabetically):
> >>
> >> Artists' Television Access (ATA): www.atasite.org
> >> Canyon Cinema: www.canyoncinema.com
> >> Oddball Films: www.oddballfilm.com
> >> Other Cinema (at ATA): www.othercinema.com
> >> San Francisco Cinematheque: www.sfcinematheque.org
> >> There is also a new venue in west Oakland called
> >> "Black Hole" which (I believe) promotes itself
> >> primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there
> >> (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of
> >> the Facebook hive mind) and search for them.
> >>
> >> And please...
> >> Before anyone says anything...
> >> I am the Artistic Director of Cinematheque. I am
> >> a filmmaker member (and once employee and board
> >> member—”but not currently) of Canyon Cinema. I
> >> am a long-time volunteer with Other Cinema/ATA.
> >> I even worked for Oddball for a short time years ago.
> >> Call this disclosure.
> >> This collation of publicly-accessible
> >> information is posted out of a sense of love for
> >> this local film scene and for this community,
> >> enthusiam for the coming season and as an act of
> >> generosity towards a newcomer. Beyond this I
> >> make no claims to speak for, advocate for, or
> >> argue the merits (or shortcomings) of any of the
> >> above venues (other than Cinematheque). OK? I
> >> also apologize to any venues I may have left
> >> out. No venue was omitted from my list due to
> >> personal (or institutional) ill will; if there
> >> have been any omissions it is only due to my personal ignorance.
> >>
> >> Peace out,
> >> Steve Polta
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 8/29/11, carl elsaesser <elsaesserc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: carl elsaesser <elsaesserc at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
> >> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> >> Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:51 AM
> >>
> >> Hey, I just moved to San Francisco from Maine
> >> and I wanted to check out the film community
> >> here. I would love any and all advice on
> >> organizing community events, if there are
> >> non-profit organizations set up for experimental
> >> film makers or of funding opportunities for young film-makers.
> >>
> >> even if it is just for coffee I would love to
> >> hear what artists have been up to here, and get
> >> a sense of collaboration possibilities.
> >>
> >> Thanks and too much love,
> >>
> >> --
> >> cArl Elsaesser
> >> 207-607-2610
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