[Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitude towards time and attentiveness

[Matt Helme]

Only my opinbion folks. No one should get insulting.
Matt

http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.matthelme.webs.com/

--- On Sun, 7/17/11, Jonathan Walley <walleyj at denison.edu> wrote:


From: Jonathan Walley <walleyj at denison.edu>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitude towards time and attentiveness
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 1:20 PM



Not specifically about experimental film - though some do get mentioned - David Bordwell's recent blog post on "dull" films is worth reading:
 
http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2011/07/10/good-and-good-for-you/



I especially like, "Simply shrugging off a film by saying, 'It’s boring!' is about as uninformative a response as saying, 'It’s interesting!' And one should always be suspicious of somebody, in the name of debunkery, telling us that we shouldn’t bother to know something."


But also, "Not all slow, minimalist movies are good."


The question of what holds spectatorial attention (and what doesn't, and why) comes into play, as well. I don't think we can ascribe the dwindling attention we might see in our students (or fellow film-goers) simply to the new technology of distraction. I imagine that viewers experiencing avant-garde and art films for the first time have always been prone to distraction, because they tend to be bored, confused, angry, etc. The new gadgets - the cell phones and droids - just give them something else to look at, but before those there was always chatter, daydreaming, and sleeping.


Jonathan


On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Matt Helme wrote:





Maybe the films are just dull?
Matt

http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.matthelme.webs.com/

--- On Sun, 7/17/11, gregg biermann <mubbazoo at optonline.net> wrote:


From: gregg biermann <mubbazoo at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitude towards time and attentiveness
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:54 AM


I was not suggesting that films should be viewed in the way the kids 
today seem to prefer (with split attention). I have noticed college 
students in cinema studies classes seem have much more difficulty than I 
do sitting silently in the dark and watching a film from beginning to 
end.  I attribute this to the effect of contemporary technology on the 
mind.  How many of you have noticed that during a film projection, in 
the darkness, there are smaller competing rectangles of light floating 
in front of various audience members?

On 7/16/2011 3:02 PM, Fred Camper wrote:
> Quoting gregg biermann<mubbazoo at optonline.net>:
>
>> Fred,
>> I agree. If you think about the metaphor of Windows itself -- the
>> implication is that your attention is, practically by default, split
>> between multiple processes and events happening simultaneously on
>> screen....
> And recent studies have shown that when people "multi-task," they
> don't do the separate tasks very well.
>
> I don't want to preclude the idea that divided and interrupted
> attention might be interesting, and might lead to interesting art. My
> point is that it makes the older type of attention, the type required
> for say Bach's "The Art of the Fugue" or a great older poem or novel,
> of "The Art of Vision," less likely. Viewing art alone and in silence,
> and also with the inner solitude of a mind aware of the finest details
> of the experience and their multiple shades and suggestions and
> implications, that's something really important to me. And I think
> it's the best way to view the films of Markopoulos, Brakhage, Breer,
> Frampton, Gehr, and so many others...
>
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
>
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