[Frameworks] Avant-garde film, F*c*book, and the nature of attention

[Cari Machet]

it is so boring when people whine about people that leave the list because
of a specific discussion
who cares

does anyone that whines about this know that there is something called
censorship (self and otherwise)
which is sick, lifeless and unethical
and something any descent filmmaker would rail against

i question the priorities of these people
it is so sterile
and i am happy to see such people ditch the list - see ya!

Cari Machet
NYC 646-436-7795
carimachet at gmail.com
AIM carismachet
Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434
Syria +963-099 277 3243
Amman +962 077 636 9407
Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>



On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Monica Angrand <monicaangrand at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
> I just saw your email addressed to me(and anyone else who is
> frustrated with this discussion thread). It's been a few days, and
> sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie; but I feel compelled to
> reply especially since I was addressed.
> Filmmaking is not just about the "nuts and bolts," either. For the
> record, it was not my intention to exclude you or anyone else in my
> comment.
> I do not agree that this discussion is healthy for the list, as it
> didn't go anywhere. It didn't progressed to any further discussions
> philosophical pertaining to media, culture, or experimental film. It
> was turning into a town hall meeting consisting of nothing more than
> opinions about "how" to communicate on the list. I like what you said
> about relating independent and experimental filmmaking to all forms of
> media, circulating ideas, discussing the effects of our choices
> politically and socially, etc. That is inspiring and fuels growth, and
> if that discussion had taken place, then the five or more people that
> left the list would still be here.
> Whether you are a scholar, a filmmaker, programmer, curator, or any
> other of the professions you listed; the thing that connects us is our
> passion for film -expressed in different ways, but the love is there.
> That connectedness is what makes this list special for me, and none
> can exist independently of the other.
> So will I stick with the list? Yes. Will I delete posts? Who knows.
> Moving forward
>  From conception to projection!
> Monica
>
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Jonathan Walley wrote:
>
> > Dear Monica (and anyone else who is frustrated with this discussion
> > thread),
> >
> > I hope you'll stick with this list. I'm glad that you've learned a lot
> > already, in the short time you've been a Frameworker. I've been on the
> > list almost since its inception, and have learned a lot too. But
> > please realize that Frameworks is not just about the "nuts and bolts"
> > of filmmaking. Certainly that is an important facet of the list, and
> > though I am a scholar rather than a maker, I've appreciated all the
> > discussions of craft, technique, technology, and so forth - my own
> > work has greatly benefited from such exchanges.
> >
> > But Frameworks is equally about the ideas, concerns, history, theory,
> > challenges, vexations, etc., of experimental film culture, which
> > involves much more than the practicalities of filmmaking, or film
> > aesthetics. As Pip points out, this list has over 1000 members
> > internationally, including film and video makers, scholars and
> > critics, curators, gallerists, film programmers, students and
> > teachers, aficionados, and so on. The membership is a microcosm of the
> > experimental film world, and the great variety of discussion topics on
> > this list constitute a kind of "pulse" of that world. This particular
> > discussion raises all sort of important ideas and questions: about the
> > relationship of independent, experimental filmmaking to other forms of
> > media; about the political and social ramifications of the choices we
> > make about communication, media, and the circulation of ideas and
> > works; about changing patterns in audiences for this kind of
> > filmmaking, etc. I would suggest that these are just as important to
> > someone who makes films as information about cameras, editing
> > software, and film processing.
> >
> > And, as others have pointed out, you can always use that "delete" key.
> > But before you do, I hope you'll consider that this type of
> > discussion, though it irritates you, might be important to you.
> > Indeed, the very fact that it troubles you might be telling you
> > something.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Jonathan
> >
> > Jonathan Walley
> > Assistant Professor of Cinema
> > Denison University
> > walleyj at denison.edu
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > FrameWorks mailing list
> > FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>
> _______________________________________________
> FrameWorks mailing list
> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frameworks/attachments/20110616/ba477009/attachment-0001.html