[Frameworks] unsettling possibilities

Mon Oct 31 04:53:59 CDT 2011

it is very interesting marilyn thanks for posting it
as some artists - stan, robert smithson - spoke of their art really
being in their act of seeing -
though i believe they would tend toward the optics and not the brain
centers it enters as where the art is stimulated/stimulating - sort of
like ears for a musician - the brain can for me get undue attention i
am more interested in the interconnectedness and getting outside of
the controls of the hierarchical/stratifying/wordy brain - actual
being is much more interesting


On 10/31/11, Aaron F. Ross <aaron at digitalartsguild.com> wrote:
> I haven't read C.S. Lewis, I could never tolerate the heavy-handed
> Christian apologism. Tolkien was the better writer because he
> abhorred allegory. Anyway, I think it's worth questioning whether
> "The Abolition of Man" might not be such a bad thing after all. Or,
> to quote Nietzche, man is something to be overcome. The utter
> virtualization of all experience may liberate consciousness in ways
> we puny humans cannot comprehend. Intellect and vision are emergent
> properties of consciousness; we should be doing everything in our
> power to extend those capabilities or risk obsolescence. The
> singularity is coming whether we like it or not. Shall we light a
> candle, or curse the darkness?
>
> Aaron
>
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>
>
> At 10/30/2011, you wrote:
>>Yes -- and there will always be constraints of one kind or
>>another.   New tools will still be tools.  . . . My "unsettling"
>>reference was in  regard to the inevitable misuse of the tools.  But
>>the various roles  of artists will likely include, as always,
>>creating new and  alternative visions as informed by whatever
>>technologies exist, as  well as ongoing social/cultural criticism
>>and provocation. But to Aaron's comment:  while "the most
>>imaginative visionaries" and  "pure intellect" (whatever that may
>>be) seem somehow  contradictory . . . i,e. from where do these
>>visions and intellect  arise?  . . . it is certainly believable that
>>the scope possibilities  will be widened.  It's just that the notion
>>of the end of artisanal  craftsmanship does sound a bit like "That
>>Hideous Strength." Marilyn On 29-Oct-11, at 1:21 PM, Brook Hinton
>>wrote: > And before I get labeled as a luddite or film fetishist,
>>which anyone > who knows me knows I am not at all - I love the
>>things digital > technology has opened up for making and
>>experiencing art. My work has > been completely digital for years
>>(though I also love, and loved > working with, film for its own
>>unique capabilities). And I can > certainly see "brain recordings"
>>as great ingredients in a piece of > art made with constrained
>>tools. But raw vision dump? I want to see > the amazing collision of
>>the artist's vision with the tools and > materials - digital,
>>analog, virtual, I don't care - not the one > unmasked
>>ingredient. > > Brook > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Brook
>>Hinton <bhinton at gmail.com>  > wrote: >> I am interested in tools
>>because they can jolt my mind into finding / >> expressing / using
>>things it couldn't otherwise envision. The >> "constraint" of tools
>>is the key to aesthetic transformation, which >> then helps me see /
>>live better the rest of the time. >> >>  I'm not interested in
>>unfiltered manifestation of something direct >> from my, or
>>anyone's, brain. I already live there. Same even with the >> "dream"
>>of 3D 360degree cinema -  I already live in a 3D immersive >> world.
>>I need things like cinema to enlighten, inform, enhance being >>
>>alive, not duplicate it - goes for the life outside as well as
>>inner >> life. >> >> Making art is a way to surpass the limitations
>>of the brain. The >> constraints of the tools are catalysts in this
>>process. >> >> >> Brook >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:38
>>AM, Aaron F. Ross >> <aaron at digitalartsguild.com> wrote: >>> This is
>>not unsettling to me, I've been waiting for it to happen >>> since I
>>first read science fiction stories as a young boy. >>> >>> With
>>brain-machine interfaces, the opportunities for self-expression >>>
>>will be blown wide open. At that point, I'm hoping that the most >>>
>>imaginative visionaries should be able to rise to the forefront
>>of >>> public awareness. No longer will we be constrained by
>>tools. >>> Artisanal craftsmanship will no longer exist, to be
>>replaced by pure >>> intellect. And that's a good thing. >>> >>> I
>>gave a talk this year that touched upon this topic, mainly in
>>the >>> context of how 3D graphics has widened the scope of
>>possibilities  >>> for >>> art and communication. I know that
>>computer art is very unpopular >>> among this crowd, I've been
>>attacked again and again for mentioning >>> it, so let the flames
>>begin. I'm wearing my flame-retardant vest. >>> >>>
>>http://www.dr-yo.com/video_dorkbot_2011.html >>> >>>
>>Aaron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 10/28/2011, you wrote: >>>>
>>Interesting article with complex social, biological, as well >>>>
>>as  aesthetic implications into the future.  . . . Obviously, >>>>
>>capturing  imagery is a far cry from understanding the
>>complexities >>>> of 'thought,'  and it's still very futuristic, but
>>as we  >>>> conceivably >>>> 'think' to each  other, or project our
>>thought/images, there would >>>> have to be resultant  changes in
>>consciousness, and the role of the >>>> artist would necessarily  be
>>re-defined along with >>>> everything/everyone else.  "Direct"
>>visual  art?  Ultimate loss of >>>> the artisanal? And/or a
>>revitalizing of same?   I realize this has >>>> little or no
>>immediate relevance to anyone here  (probably), but it >>>> showed
>>up in my email and I just thought some  frameworkers would >>>>
>>possibly find it interesting as well: >>>>
>>http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-reconstruct-video-clips-from-brain-activity
>>
>> >>>> Marilyn Brakhage
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>>Professor / Assistant Chair >> Film Program at CCA >> California
>>College of the Arts >> www.cca.edu/film >> > > > > -- >
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