[Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

[marilyn brakhage]

I didn't see that exhibition, unfortunately.  But Bruce Conner also  
had a gallery/art world history and connections for his work in other  
media, aside from film.  It's the people who are "only" filmmakers who  
sometimes have more of a struggle with getting their work shown as it  
should be.

Marilyn

On 4-Mar-12, at 6:31 PM, Myron Ort wrote:

> all I know is how impressed I was with the Bruce Conner  
> retrospective  in Los Angeles at MOCA  a many few years ago. All of  
> his modes of working were well presented.
> Bruce Conner!
>
> Myron Ort
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2012, at 6:19 PM, marilyn brakhage wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback.  It would be interesting to hear more on  
>> the subject from people around at the time -- as well as the latest  
>> experiences other people are having.
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>> On 4-Mar-12, at 2:45 PM, Chuck Kleinhans wrote:
>>
>>> I thought Marilyn Brakhage's response to the Erika Balsom essay  
>>> was outstanding, and I hope it will be reprinted in Moving Image  
>>> Arts Journal so it circulates more directly where historians and  
>>> scholars might find it in the future.
>>>
>>> Greybeards like me on the Frameworks listserv can easily add to  
>>> the main points Marilyn makes about Stan Brakhage per se and about  
>>> the commercial and gallery and museum art world of the time.
>>>
>>> I vividly remember a dinner with Stan Brakhage (and others) at the  
>>> University of Oregon perhaps 20 years ago when he was screening  
>>> some of his films.  The discussion got into the matter of Turner's  
>>> paintings and light, and Brakhage was quite passionate about which  
>>> museums had which paintings and had displayed them to best  
>>> advantage.  The next morning I ran into him on the main campus  
>>> quadrangle, camera in hand, filming what interested him, while he  
>>> was waiting for the University Art Museum to open.
>>>
>>> Two points that others might be able to develop more in dialogue  
>>> with Balsom's thesis:
>>>
>>> a. animation, particularly drawn animation, has always had a more  
>>> ambiguous relation to the traditional format/materials art world,  
>>> perhaps mostly because almost all its artists have drawing skills  
>>> and craft, which is more easily understood.  Most art schools  
>>> (used to) have first year drawing course requirements.
>>>
>>> b. there was a discussion c. 1970, and I think in Canyon  
>>> Cinemanews, about establishing the "rare value" of film and its  
>>> collectability, by making things such as unique editions of films  
>>> (such as S8mm copies that collectors could buy and presumably view  
>>> at home) or by making single unique films which would then be sold  
>>> to collectors or museums.  Of course this was also part of an art  
>>> world discussion/quandary at the time when another mass  
>>> reproduceable art--photography--was entering the art market (and  
>>> museum collections).
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Kleinhans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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