[Frameworks] Converting digital video to VHS using Premiere or something else

[Will Erokan]

Ben Weinstein you better listen to Mr F Ross, otherwise you'll never work
in this town again!


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Will Erokan <williebenign at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mr F Ross, which industry? The experimental film industry?
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM, chris bravo <iamdirect at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "It's a commonly accepted industry practice to shoot in HD, then
>> downsample to SD, particularly for chroma key work"
>>
>> um. nope.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Aaron F. Ross <
>> aaron at digitalartsguild.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The level of technical ignorance displayed on this discussion list never
>>> ceases to amaze me. VHS is much worse than 480p. You're lucky if you get an
>>> effective resolution of 320 vertical columns on VHS. VHS = ~150,000 pixels,
>>> 640x480 = 307,200, DVD/DV = 345,600.
>>>
>>> It's a commonly accepted industry practice to shoot in HD, then
>>> downsample to SD, particularly for chroma key work. Most indie makers can't
>>> afford 4:4:4 pro HD gear, so they shoot in HD, then knock the resolution
>>> down to lossless 4:4:4 SD before cutting a key. This eliminates the color
>>> sampling limitations of consumer HD gear & formats. This is the optimal
>>> pipeline for no-budget VFX work.
>>>
>>> Downsampling after compositing will give some relief from the chroma
>>> sampling limitations, but it's far better to downsample before compositing.
>>> Just be sure that the downsampled footage is in a lossless format such as
>>> Quicktime Animation. If you're tight on disk space, you can nest
>>> compositions or timelines and render the composited SD footage directly,
>>> with no intermediate.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 8/17/2013, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aaron F Ross... downsampling it to 480p is not the same as laying off
>>>> to tape. It's like suggesting he hands out blurred glasses to anyone
>>>> viewing the film. It's an interesting idea but not what he's asking for.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Kreines... I agree with you about fixing the mistakes, but the
>>>> cool part about laying off to tape and then viewing the results, is that
>>>> laying off to tape and then recapturing the footage creates a copy of the
>>>> footage, it doesn't modify the original. If he isn't satisfied with the
>>>> results, he's free to try something else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jeff Kreines <<mailto:jeff at kinetta.com
>>>> >jeff**@kinetta.com <jeff at kinetta.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hey Im making a stopmotion video using adobe premiere and it looks
>>>>> terrible because its HD and looks too crisp.  You can see all the shitty
>>>>> blue screening and whatnot so I want to convert it to VHS so the mistakes
>>>>> don't look so obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want less resolution just to mask the mistakes, why not fix the
>>>> mistakes rather than make it all look like mush?
>>>>
>>>> Of course if you want it all to look mushy, why work in HD in the first
>>>> place?  A generation of VHS will do many things, some of which you may like
>>>> and others you may not.  Choice of format is important.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Kreines
>>>> Kinetta
>>>> <mailto:jeff at kinetta.com>jeff@**kinetta.com <jeff at kinetta.com>
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>>>>
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