[Frameworks] Let's define things

[Michael Betancourt]

This article left me with that "you're joking" sense: it doesn't even get
Sheldon Renan's name right (quote: Sheldon Ren, author of *An Introduction
to the American Underground
Film*<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/052547207X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=052547207X&linkCode=as2&tag=theindep-20>,
writes that the term came into usage because “there was at the time a
feeling that the forces that be were trying to keep this certain kind of
film from being made.") Problem is, people who don't know any better will
read it and think they've learned something.....

But somehow I don't think objecting will actually do any good. (It's
already in print.)

Michael Betancourt
Savannah, GA USA


michaelbetancourt.com
twitter.com/cinegraphic | vimeo.com/cinegraphic
www.cinegraphic.net | the avant-garde film & video blog


On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Beebe, Roger <rogerbb at ufl.edu> wrote:

>  I tried to post a comment to this article expressing my dissatisfaction
> about her very idiosyncratic lexicon, but it seems not to have taken.  The
> author goes on to say that Citizen Kane was avant garde, completely
> ignoring the historical usage of this term.  I don't understand why The
> Independent got someone to write this article who seems to have very little
> exposure to experimental film.  (She also seems to have mostly art-world
> references for exp. film, which is another problem after the more basic
> ones.)
>
>  Mass protest?
> R.
>
>
>
>  On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Chuck Kleinhans wrote:
>
>
> http://independent-magazine.org/magazine/2013/03/Minhae-Shim_defines_experimental-film_avant-garde_video-installation
>
>  For me, experimental film is essentially a broad strokes or umbrella
> term for moving images that explore the human condition, nature, or fantasy
> in ways that haven’t been traditionally explored before. “Experimental
> film” includes a wide range of works, from a video performance of a heavily
> made-up woman smearing her face on a pane of glass (Pipilotti Rist,*Be
> Nice to Me <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDh_D1G0hU>*) to Wes
> Anderson’s *Moonrise Kingdom <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1748122>*.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Chuck Kleinhans
>
>  _______________________________________________
> FrameWorks mailing list
> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> FrameWorks mailing list
> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frameworks/attachments/20130304/487e74cb/attachment.html>