[Frameworks] FrameWorks Digest, Vol 34, Issue 19
steven woloshen
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Tue Mar 19 12:56:51 UTC 2013
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> 1. Robert Schaller Film Show, 3/20/13, Jamestown, CO
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> 2. New for sale items posted (film equipment) (40 Frames)
> 3. ELEPHANTS AND FILM (David Baker)
> 4. Re: ELEPHANTS AND FILM (elizabeth mcmahon)
> 5. Food (graeme hogg)
> 6. Re: Food (Dennis Doros)
> 7. Re: ELEPHANTS AND FILM (Sandra Maliga)
> 8. Re: Anyone else like me out there? (Robert Schaller)
> 9. Re: ELEPHANTS AND FILM (David Baker)
> 10. The Elephant held vigil in Tennessee (David Baker)
> 11. Re: ELEPHANTS AND FILM (elizabeth mcmahon)
> 12. Re: The Elephant held vigil in Tennessee (elizabeth mcmahon)
> 13. Re: ELEPHANTS AND FILM (Sandra Maliga)
> 14. Re: Anyone else like me out there? (peter humble)
> 15. Crooked Beauty Screening in San Francisco (Ken Paul Rosenthal)
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 08:41:48 -0600
> From: Robert Schaller <robert at ontosmedia.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: [Frameworks] Robert Schaller Film Show, 3/20/13, Jamestown,
> CO
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> Dear Frameworkers,
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> I'm showing a selection of my films at the Jamestown Town Hall at 7 pm on Wednesday, March 20, in Jamestown, Colorado (about ten miles northwest of Boulder, Colorado). It's a benefit for the local elementary school ($5 admission).
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> If anyone can make it, you're invited!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert Schaller
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> From: David Baker <dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM
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> Esteemed cohorts everyone,
>
> What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
> I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
> I love the complexity of elephant societies.
>
> Something amazing to read is:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
>
> Something important to see is:
> National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
>
> I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is
> happening to these animals right now, today.
> More Elephants are being killed
> than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth.
> The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
> Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
> The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a
> frenzy.
> Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole
> herds.
> China is the problem.
> The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous carved
> luxury goods.
>
> If there is hope it might be through FILM.
>
> Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class thinks
> elephant tusks fall out naturally.
> They call them elephant teeth.
> Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants last
> best hope.
>
> The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and make a
> difference.
> Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a cognizant
> compassionate human being who does
> please go here:
>
>
> http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
>
> or here
>
> http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html
>
>
> If you are a teacher please share this with your students.
> Time is of the essence.
> The force of human compassion is the solution.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/death-of-the-elephants.html
>
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=organized-crime-elephant-slaughter
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/world/asia/an-illicit-trail-of-african-ivory-to-china.html?pagewanted=all
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/slaughter-of-the-african-elephants.html
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/science/surveys-quantify-loss-of-african-elephants-for-ivory-trade.html?ref=elephants
>
> http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2013-03-15/china-s-demand-for-ivory-fueling-elephant-poaching.html
>
> -David Baker
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: elizabeth mcmahon <elizmcmahon at yahoo.com>
> To: "dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com" <dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>, Experimental Discussion
> List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM
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> Thank you for this very thoughtful, and important posting.
>
> You can foster an orphaned elephant or rhino here: http://www.sheldrickwildlifetrust.org/
>
> And, it's actually Thailand that has/d the greatest trade in illegal, and LEGAL, ivory trading. The PM has now declared, at the beginning of this month, to end it. http://worldwildlife.org/stories/thai-prime-minister-announces-end-to-ivory-trade
>
> It was LEGAL to trade "domestic" elephants, whatever that was to mean. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/03/thailand-outlaw-ivory-trade
>
> Please go here and learn about bear bile farms, a despicable practice, and the practice of boiling dogs and cats alive, skinning them alive, and other means of torture, for "medicine," food and fur: http://www.animalsasia.org/ Surely, you know the Chinese are fond of putting live cats in blenders. But then again, we do that here, on factory farms, with baby male chicks.
>
> And lest you think "faux" fur is "faux," read this: http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2013/03/fur-investigation-marc-jacobs-030713.html
>
> Sign here to voice your opposition to the ivory trade: https://secure3.convio.net/wcs/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=539&autologin=true&JServSessionIdr004=5o6l2lo511.app333a
>
> I love experimental film, too. But I will always love animals more.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: David Baker <dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>
> >To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> >Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:02 PM
> >Subject: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM
> >
> >
> >Esteemed cohorts everyone,
> >
> >
> >What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
> >I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
> >I love the complexity of elephant societies.
> >
> >Something amazing to read is:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
> >
> >Something important to see is:
> >National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
> >
> >I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is happening to these animals right now, today.
> >More Elephants are being killed
> >than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth.
> >The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
> >Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
> >The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a frenzy.
> >Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole herds.
> >China is the problem.
> >The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous carved luxury goods.
> >
> >If there is hope it might be through FILM.
> >
> >Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class thinks elephant tusks fall out naturally.
> >They call them elephant teeth.
> >Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants last best hope.
> >
> >The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and make a difference.
> >Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a cognizant compassionate human being who does
> >please go here:
> >
> >
> >http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
> >
> >or here
> >
> >http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >If you are a teacher please share this with your students.
> >Time is of the essence.
> >The force of human compassion is the solution.
> >
> >
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/death-of-the-elephants.html
> >
> >http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=organized-crime-elephant-slaughter
> >
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/world/asia/an-illicit-trail-of-african-ivory-to-china.html?pagewanted=all
> >
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/slaughter-of-the-african-elephants.html
> >
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/science/surveys-quantify-loss-of-african-elephants-for-ivory-trade.html?ref=elephants
> >
> >http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2013-03-15/china-s-demand-for-ivory-fueling-elephant-poaching.html
> >
> >
> >-David Baker
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:20:32 +0000 (GMT)
> From: graeme hogg <graemehogg at irational.org>
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> Subject: [Frameworks] Food
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> Anyone know who holds 16mm copies of Matta-Clarks 'Food'?
>
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:25:22 -0400
> From: Dennis Doros <milefilms at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Food
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> You can find it at EAI here <http://www.eai.org/title.htm?id=761>. And the
> Robert Frank collection is at the Houston MFA.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
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> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM, graeme hogg <graemehogg at irational.org>wrote:
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> >
> > Anyone know who holds 16mm copies of Matta-Clarks 'Food'?
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:36:41 -0700
> From: Sandra Maliga <neoreal at me.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM
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> This is tragic and infuriating.
>
> Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are threatened? If elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY. Don't they have media in China? Get the word out.
>
> Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own herd? They could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory when the herd needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory will drive the price ever higher. They could promote "homegrown" ivory as superior.
>
> Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but don't save animals. How about showing some documentaries in China? How about a message on every cell phone in China? I'd give money for that.
>
> - Sandy Maliga
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker <dbaker1 at HVC.RR.COM> wrote:
>
> > Esteemed cohorts everyone,
> >
> > What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
> > I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
> > I love the complexity of elephant societies.
> >
> > Something amazing to read is:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
> >
> > Something important to see is:
> > National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
> >
> > I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is happening to these animals right now, today.
> > More Elephants are being killed
> > than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth.
> > The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
> > Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
> > The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a frenzy.
> > Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole herds.
> > China is the problem.
> > The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous carved luxury goods.
> >
> > If there is hope it might be through FILM.
> >
> > Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class thinks elephant tusks fall out naturally.
> > They call them elephant teeth.
> > Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants last best hope.
> >
> > The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and make a difference.
> > Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a cognizant compassionate human being who does
> > please go here:
> >
> >
> > http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
> >
> > or here
> >
> > http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html
> >
> >
> > If you are a teacher please share this with your students.
> > Time is of the essence.
> > The force of human compassion is the solution.
> >
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/death-of-the-elephants.html
> >
> > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=organized-crime-elephant-slaughter
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/world/asia/an-illicit-trail-of-african-ivory-to-china.html?pagewanted=all
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/slaughter-of-the-african-elephants.html
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/science/surveys-quantify-loss-of-african-elephants-for-ivory-trade.html?ref=elephants
> >
> > http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2013-03-15/china-s-demand-for-ivory-fueling-elephant-poaching.html
> >
> > -David Baker
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:43:34 -0600
> From: Robert Schaller <robert at ontosmedia.com>
> To: "Doug Chaffin\(\"Douglas Graves\"\)" <dgtolstoy at yahoo.com>,
> Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Anyone else like me out there?
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> Doug,
>
> Your signature says you're in Boulder, which has more film than many (most?) places. You might start with First Person Cinema, which is one of the longest running experimental film showcases anywhere; many other filmmakers attend these screenings, along with the filmmaker in person (as the name implies). Then there's the Stan Brakhage Film Series, every Sunday. I run the Handmade Film Institute just west of Boulder, which is all about photochemical filmmaking. And then there's TIE, which isn't just in Colorado any more, but based here and concerned primarily (exclusively?) with celluloid film. And the Brakhage Symposium was just this weekend; part of it was a film loop installation of Brakhage's Persian series (on film!), which was wonderful and might still be up. Then too there are numerous filmmakers in the area who work now with celluloid (among other things). It would be a long list.
>
> So, if indeed you're in Boulder, there is no need to feel alone in your making. There are plenty of others!
>
> -RS
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Doug Chaffin(Douglas Graves) wrote:
>
> > As an isolated 16mm abstract moviemaker I'm very interested to know if there's anyone else like me around today?
> >
> > Specifically, is there anyone who works on photo-chemical celluloid motion picture film and makes any kind of formal aesthetic work that is either purely cinematic, abstract, or just generally lyrical and poetic, visually speaking?
> >
> > I'm 30 and I spent 3 years and 10,000 dollars making a really ambitious and stylized abstract 16mm movie called "PALMS", it's a serious piece of work that I think is worthy of following in the tradition of what I feel are the truly great non-narrative cinematic artists such as Will Hindle, Ed Emshwiller, James Whitney, Pat O'Neill, Jordan Belson, Scott Bartlett, Bruce Baillie, Maya Deren, Slavko Vorkapich, and Dziga Vertov, among others.
> >
> > Are other people out there, particularly people younger than 50 and currently active, who are also passionate and excited by the work of all these great cinematic artists and are committed to working on celluloid? The last 3 years have been a struggle for me to make another movie and to get my 1st one even seen by anyone. and i also just haven't been able to find people who share my love of cinematic technique and will share it in any way, such as emailing or talking to each other about great shots and montages and optical techniques or sound design techniques in the brilliant movies by these artists.
> >
> > That kind of community and sharing is i feel necessary, even if only between a few people, and it's sad when we're so alone in our struggling and hard work. The only current 16mm moviemakers I know that are similar to me in any way are Timoleon Wilkins and Mark Toscano and they are unfortunately inaccessible for various reasons. I can't see their work or stay in touch with them as friends or even associates.
> >
> > Especially nowadays with all these faster, easier, and cheaper ways of communicating around the whole world such as the internet and cell phones, it's amazing how it seems like most people are if anything more reluctant and difficult about staying in touch and enjoying community and fellowship.
> >
> > I know that maybe there are some really great cinematic-celluloid artists working today out there who just make their work for themselves and don't really show it and don't desire to know other cinema enthusiasts. In a way I can understand wanting to be like that and maybe nowadays it's the only way to be. I might get like that too but right now I would welcome the interest and association of serious people whom love what I love and, as my mentor the great Bruce Baillie would say, want to be human to each other about it.
> >
> >
> > Doug Graves
> >
> > 4636 Talbot Drive
> > Boulder, CO 80303
> >
> > 702-580-4293
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:20:03 -0400
> From: David Baker <dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>
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> Sandy,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> (I don't have all the answers.
> I just know my heart is breaking.)
> I want filmmakers on this list to understand that this is happening
> right now.
> I want people to take a look at the ways of these wondrous sentient
> animals
> in the wild. And I want people to learn and think more deeply about what
> these animals actually are.
> Conceptually we human beings often hold a very superficial idea
> about what something as interesting and complex and distant as an
> ELEPHANT is
> or more importantly what ELEPHANTS really are.
> Mostly we have a notion formed in our heads whether we realize it or not
> about something that lives in the zoo or at the circus
> and that just isn't it.
> If you could take a few minutes to read the information on ELEPHANT
> COGNITION
> you might be amazed.
> ( I just had no idea...)
> Or watch this whole film here:
> Echo: An Elephant to Remember
>
> http://video.pbs.org/video/1616077152/
>
> Once people here do educate themselves, they can decide to do nothing
> or do something.
> I will tell you that the more you learn the harder it is to do nothing.
>
> I want us to figure out a way fast , to tell the Chinese to stop!
>
> At very least please sign the petition Elizabeth McMahon brilliantly
> brought to us,
>
> Sign here to voice your opposition to the ivory trade: https://secure3.convio.net/wcs/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=539&autologin=true&JServSessionIdr004=5o6l2lo511.app333a
>
>
> The African Environmental Film Foundation
> screened their film "White Gold" in Bangkok on March 3.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/AEFFonline?ref=stream
>
> My understanding is that they will be trying to do just what you
> suggest.
> Arne Glimcher of the Pace Gallery is the chairman of the foundation,
> he says
> they plan to show the film in Beijing, with a Mandarin narration,
> in Hong Kong,Singapore,Thailand, Indonesia and Japan.
>
> No question, here FILM and the fate of this animal are inextricably
> linked.
>
> -DB
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Sandra Maliga wrote:
>
> > This is tragic and infuriating.
> >
> > Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are
> > threatened? If elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY.
> > Don't they have media in China? Get the word out.
> >
> > Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own
> > herd? They could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory
> > when the herd needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory
> > will drive the price ever higher. They could promote "homegrown"
> > ivory as superior.
> >
> > Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but don't
> > save animals. How about showing some documentaries in China? How
> > about a message on every cell phone in China? I'd give money for
> > that.
> >
> > - Sandy Maliga
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker <dbaker1 at HVC.RR.COM> wrote:
> >
> >> Esteemed cohorts everyone,
> >>
> >> What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
> >> I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
> >> I love the complexity of elephant societies.
> >>
> >> Something amazing to read is:
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
> >>
> >> Something important to see is:
> >> National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
> >>
> >> I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is
> >> happening to these animals right now, today.
> >> More Elephants are being killed
> >> than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the
> >> earth.
> >> The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
> >> Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
> >> The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it
> >> as a frenzy.
> >> Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole
> >> herds.
> >> China is the problem.
> >> The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous
> >> carved luxury goods.
> >>
> >> If there is hope it might be through FILM.
> >>
> >> Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class thinks
> >> elephant tusks fall out naturally.
> >> They call them elephant teeth.
> >> Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants last
> >> best hope.
> >>
> >> The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and make
> >> a difference.
> >> Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a
> >> cognizant compassionate human being who does
> >> please go here:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
> >>
> >> or here
> >>
> >> http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html
> >>
> >>
> >> If you are a teacher please share this with your students.
> >> Time is of the essence.
> >> The force of human compassion is the solution.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/death-of-the-elephants.html
> >>
> >> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=organized-crime-elephant-slaughter
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/world/asia/an-illicit-trail-of-african-ivory-to-china.html?pagewanted=all
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/slaughter-of-the-african-elephants.html
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/science/surveys-quantify-loss-of-african-elephants-for-ivory-trade.html?ref=elephants
> >>
> >> http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2013-03-15/china-s-demand-for-ivory-fueling-elephant-poaching.html
> >>
> >> -David Baker
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> FrameWorks mailing list
> >> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
> >
> > Sandy Maliga
> >
> > 4763 Toland Way
> > Los Angeles, CA 90042-2255
> >
> > 323.898.6331
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:20:14 -0400
> From: David Baker <dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: [Frameworks] The Elephant held vigil in Tennessee
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> I expect most everybody has seen this.
> Still I want to share this story, of an elephant and her unlikely best
> friend.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdzassDm7eM
>
> this in the snow:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2NTOWmJ0gw
>
> and a sad end:
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57319021/tarra-and-bella-elephant-loses-mans-best-friend/
>
> -DB
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:52:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: elizabeth mcmahon <elizmcmahon at yahoo.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM
> Message-ID:
> <1363661554.98004.YahooMailNeo at web164002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Sandy,
>
> Seriously, is this what you're advocating, with "homegrown" ivory harvesting? Because this is how they get it. They hack their faces off. Oftentimes, since they are matriarchal groups of elephants, they end up leave orphans, who blessedly have no ivory, to fend for them selveselves. Thus, why I provided the link for the orphaned elephants and rhinos. Here it is again: http://www.sheldrickwildlifetrust.org/
>
>
> I would like to implore everyone to educate themselves, and then others, on the gross depradations of all poaching in the wild (including bushmeat from endangered Western lowland gorillas), not just elephants, but also my personal favorites, rhinos (African western black rhinos are now extinct, as of a couple of years ago, and white - as all - rhinos are perilously threatened). http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45236688/ns/world_news-world_environmen
>
>
> Just extrapolate how many hacked to death elephants and rhinos this pic represents. RIP, you poor creatures.
>
>
> Sorry, but this is a subject very close to my heart, as well.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: David Baker <dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>
> >To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> >Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:20 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM
> >
> >
> >Sandy,
> >
> >I agree with you.
> >
> >(I don't have all the answers.
> >I just know my heart is breaking.)
> >I want filmmakers on this list to understand that this is happening right now.
> >I want people to take a look at the ways of these wondrous sentient animals
> >in the wild. And I want people to learn and think more deeply about what
> >these animals actually are.
> >Conceptually we human beings often hold a very superficial idea
> >about what something as interesting and complex and distant as an ELEPHANT is
> >or more importantly what ELEPHANTS really are.
> >Mostly we have a notion formed in our heads whether we realize it or not
> >about something that lives in the zoo or at the circus
> >and that just isn't it.
> >If you could take a few minutes to read the information on ELEPHANT COGNITION
> >you might be amazed.
> >( I just had no idea...)
> >Or watch this whole film here:
> >Echo: An Elephant to Remember
> >
> >
> >http://video.pbs.org/video/1616077152/
> >
> >Once people here do educate themselves, they can decide to do nothing or do something.
> >I will tell you that the more you learn the harder it is to do nothing.
> >
> >I want us to figure out a way fast , to tell the Chinese to stop!
> >
> >
> >At very least please sign the petition Elizabeth McMahon brilliantly brought to us,
> >
> >
> >Sign here to voice your opposition to the ivory trade: https://secure3.convio.net/wcs/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=539&autologin=true&JServSessionIdr004=5o6l2lo511.app333a
> >
> >
> >
> >The African Environmental Film Foundation
> >screened their film "White Gold" in Bangkok on March 3.
> >
> >https://www.facebook.com/AEFFonline?ref=stream
> >
> >My understanding is that they will be trying to do just what you suggest.
> >Arne Glimcher of the Pace Gallery is the chairman of the foundation, he says
> >they plan to show the film in Beijing, with a Mandarin narration,
> >in Hong Kong,Singapore,Thailand, Indonesia and Japan.
> >
> >
> >No question, here FILM and the fate of this animal are inextricably linked.
> >
> >
> >-DB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Sandra Maliga wrote:
> >
> >This is tragic and infuriating.
> >>
> >>
> >>Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are threatened? If elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY. Don't they have media in China? Get the word out.
> >>
> >>
> >>Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own herd? They could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory when the herd needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory will drive the price ever higher. They could promote "homegrown" ivory as superior.
> >>
> >>
> >> Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but don't save animals. How about showing some documentaries in China? How about a message on every cell phone in China? I'd give money for that.
> >>
> >>
> >>- Sandy Maliga
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker <dbaker1 at HVC.RR.COM> wrote:
> >>
> >>Esteemed cohorts everyone,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
> >>>I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
> >>>I love the complexity of elephant societies.
> >>>
> >>>Something amazing to read is:
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
> >>>
> >>>Something important to see is:
> >>>National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
> >>>
> >>>I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is happening to these animals right now, today.
> >>>More Elephants are being killed
> >>>than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth.
> >>>The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
> >>>Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
> >>>The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a frenzy.
> >>>Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole herds.
> >>>China is the problem.
> >>>The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous carved luxury goods.
> >>>
> >>>If there is hope it might be through FILM.
> >>>
> >>>Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class thinks elephant tusks fall out naturally.
> >>>They call them elephant teeth.
> >>>Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants last best hope.
> >>>
> >>>The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and make a difference.
> >>>Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a cognizant compassionate human being who does
> >>>please go here:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
> >>>
> >>>or here
> >>>
> >>>http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>If you are a teacher please share this with your students.
> >>>Time is of the essence.
> >>>The force of human compassion is the solution.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/death-of-the-elephants.html
> >>>
> >>>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=organized-crime-elephant-slaughter
> >>>
> >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/world/asia/an-illicit-trail-of-african-ivory-to-china.html?pagewanted=all
> >>>
> >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/slaughter-of-the-african-elephants.html
> >>>
> >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/science/surveys-quantify-loss-of-african-elephants-for-ivory-trade.html?ref=elephants
> >>>
> >>>http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2013-03-15/china-s-demand-for-ivory-fueling-elephant-poaching.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-David Baker_______________________________________________
> >>>FrameWorks mailing list
> >>>FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> >>>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sandy Maliga
> >>
> >>
> >>4763 Toland Way
> >>Los Angeles, CA 90042-2255
> >>
> >>
> >>323.898.6331
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: elizabeth mcmahon <elizmcmahon at yahoo.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] The Elephant held vigil in Tennessee
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> I was sad and cried for days when this happened
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: David Baker <dbaker1 at hvc.rr.com>
> >To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> >Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:20 PM
> >Subject: [Frameworks] The Elephant held vigil in Tennessee
> >
> >
> >I expect most everybody has seen this.
> >Still I want to share this story, of an elephant and her unlikely best friend.
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdzassDm7eM
> >
> >this in the snow:
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2NTOWmJ0gw
> >
> >and a sad end:
> >
> >http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57319021/tarra-and-bella-elephant-loses-mans-best-friend/
> >
> >-DB
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:06:01 -0700
> From: Sandra Maliga <neoreal at maliga.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM
> Message-ID: <5FF7BE05-BC55-49D5-A9AC-29A2A21D3203 at maliga.com>
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>
> Not "advocating". I don't want to see any elephants killed. I have no interest in ivory. I can't understand how there could be people who do not understand that elephants should never be killed. BUt there are. There are people who lie for money and people who listen to them. Moreover people who like ivory have no respect for the law. And the laws are not enforced.
>
> So what can be done?
>
> As I understand the Chinese, they are pretty pragmatic, if I can generalize. Maybe taking action to propose a way to get legitimate ivory could deflect some of the interest in illegal ivory. Prohibition leads to crime, legalizing and controlling is better.
>
> When elephants could live and flourish in the wild there were natural deaths that left tusks. If a herd was provided with space to thrive tusks could occasionally be found. If the space was limited humans might be able to reverently "cull " the herd by painlessly killing "extra" males and gathering their tusks. A mother with young would never be killed by rational "keepers."
>
> Poachers are not concerned with keeping elephants alive; they care only for short term profit. Poaching must be illegal. Murdering mother elephants must be illegal.
>
> Perhaps another possibility is to pressure the Chinese government to enforce the laws. I went to the Chinese news in English - CCTV site http://passport.cntv.cn/app_pass/verify/english/new/login.jsp?errtype=-5#
>
> and they have articles about the threats to elephants. So some Chinese are aware. How do THEY propose to get the word out to those who buy ivory?
>
> - Sandy
>
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Sandra Maliga <neoreal at e.com> wrote:
>
> > This is tragic and infuriating.
> >
> > Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are threatened? If elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY. Don't they have media in China? Get the word out.
> >
> > Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own herd? They could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory when the herd needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory will drive the price ever higher. They could promote "homegrown" ivory as superior.
> >
> > Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but don't save animals. How about showing some documentaries in China? How about a message on every cell phone in China? I'd give money for that.
> >
> > - Sandy Maliga
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker <dbaker1 at HVC.RR.COM> wrote:
> >
> >> Esteemed cohorts everyone,
> >>
> >> What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
> >> I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
> >> I love the complexity of elephant societies.
> >>
> >> Something amazing to read is:
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
> >>
> >> Something important to see is:
> >> National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
> >>
> >> I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is happening to these animals right now, today.
> >> More Elephants are being killed
> >> than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth.
> >> The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
> >> Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
> >> The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a frenzy.
> >> Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole herds.
> >> China is the problem.
> >> The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous carved luxury goods.
> >>
> >> If there is hope it might be through FILM.
> >>
> >> Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class thinks elephant tusks fall out naturally.
> >> They call them elephant teeth.
> >> Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants last best hope.
> >>
> >> The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and make a difference.
> >> Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a cognizant compassionate human being who does
> >> please go here:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
> >>
> >> or here
> >>
> >> http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html
> >>
> >>
> >> If you are a teacher please share this with your students.
> >> Time is of the essence.
> >> The force of human compassion is the solution.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/opinion/death-of-the-elephants.html
> >>
> >> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=organized-crime-elephant-slaughter
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/world/asia/an-illicit-trail-of-african-ivory-to-china.html?pagewanted=all
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/slaughter-of-the-african-elephants.html
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/science/surveys-quantify-loss-of-african-elephants-for-ivory-trade.html?ref=elephants
> >>
> >> http://ntdtv.org/en/news/china/2013-03-15/china-s-demand-for-ivory-fueling-elephant-poaching.html
> >>
> >> -David Baker
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> FrameWorks mailing list
> >> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
> >
> > Sandy Maliga
> >
> > 4763 Toland Way
> > Los Angeles, CA 90042-2255
> >
> > 323.898.6331
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Sandy Maliga
>
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:28:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: peter humble <petehumble at yahoo.com>
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Anyone else like me out there?
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> A profile of an artist in Australia active in this area:
> https://vimeo.com/36617488
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
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> Subject: [Frameworks] Crooked Beauty Screening in San Francisco
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> Crooked Beauty Screening in San Francisco, Thursday, March 21, 2013A low key, intimate gathering for nurturing mutual support and authenticity in these chaotic times. ArtInternationale Art Gallery and Lounge, 963 Pacific Avenue (between Mason and Powell), San Francisco, CA 94133Salon: 7 pm (Meet & Greet, No-host bar & snacks), Feature: 8 pm (Crooked Beauty)FREE admission to the Salon and Film, www.crookedbeauty.com
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