[Frameworks] painted film finisher

[Jarrett Hayman]

Thank you all for the info. My films aren't too long, max five minutes. I
will probably try the clear nail polish option, as I'm looking for a way to
stabilize the material on the film until I can wrangle up the money needed
to get internegatives and prints made, they are both on clear super-8
leader so I'll also need to do a 16mm blow-up.  The shorter film is simply
dirt on clear leader, and I'm afraid that any printing process might smear
the dirt off if I attempted to do so as is (not to mention gum up any
equipment)

again, thanks!

-JH


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Isaac Brooks <isaacbrooks22 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes, I agree with previous comments about adding yet another layer to the
> film: don't, at least not as a long lasting projection solution.
>
> If break-down / image degeneration during exhibition is your thing, then
> that's another story. But it sounds like you want what you've made to stay
> more or less the same.
>
> Not sure how long your films are, as that might affect how easily you can
> rephotograph them yourself.
>
> If you have access to an optical printer, and your films are relatively
> short, then then that would be the way I'd go. I work with a lot of folks
> who optically print any direct animation / manipulation they do on 16mm
> right off the bat, so they have a clean, lab-friendly negative / camera
> original.
>
> But get lots of isopropyl alcohol, as the projection side of the printer
> will need cleaning. I'd look within your filmmaking community to see what
> sort of optical printer access you have, and if there is a machine that
> other people have used for this sort of slightly messier stuff.
>
> Other list members might have solutions as to labs that deal happily with
> this sort of thing. If your movies are long, then you might have to look
> into something more specialized. But I would consider doing it yourself if
> you have some equipment access. While it's slightly against the camera-less
> film ideal, it's a measure that has frequently been made in order to ensure
> that a decent print of your work is shown, and that doesn't gum up a
> projector.
>
> Isaac
> Common Pictures
>
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Tom Whiteside <tom.whiteside at duke.edu>wrote:
>
>>  I don’t think you can safely add a layer of finish – ink and markers
>> probably won’t change much, but craft paint is going to come off (to some
>> degree) so if you want to project this (much) you need to make a print.**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As I’m sure you are aware, the motion of the film through the projector
>> is intermittent, it is vigorous, anything up on top of the surface of the
>> plastic is going to come off.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Good luck!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jarrett Hayman
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:02 PM
>> *To:* FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> *Subject:* [Frameworks] painted film finisher****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hello,****
>>
>> I have recently completed two films made using direct application
>> techniques, such as hand painting with craft paint, india ink, permanent
>> markers and other media. I would like to find a way to apply some kind of
>> finish to the film so that the ink and paint do not continue to rub off
>> with projection, but I'm afraid to use a spray finish for traditional
>> paintings, as they are usually quite flammable. Any ideas?****
>>
>> -JH****
>>
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