[Frameworks] 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)

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From: Sasha Waters Freyer <swfreyer at vcu.edu> 
Date: 09/15/2013  8:26 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com 
Subject: [Frameworks] 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.) 

I was glad to see Bill Wees' response highlighting the tradition of experimental reframings of pornography.  I myself have just completed "An Incomplete History of Pornography,1979" which uses a super 8mm porn film from the late '70s as its source for a weird, hairy essayistic exploration into the social and economic context of porn as it relates to Neo-liberal decline since the dawn of Reagan and Thatcher.  It's p-word protected on vimeo, but what the hell?  I'll list it here in case anyone is interested (also because I have my doubts about it getting programmed - it's kind of out there).

https://vimeo.com/60856588

password: Carter

Sasha

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   1. Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film        Center
      (Adam Hyman)
   2. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Scott Dorsey)
   3. Re: Self Developing Mess (Scott Dorsey)
   4. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Jeff Kreines)
   5. Re: Self Developing Mess (Diana Arce)
   6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
   7. NYC Film-Makers Cooperative Benefit THIS TUESDAY 17th!
      (Katherine Bauer)
   8. Re: Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film    Center
      (Echo Park Film Center)
   9. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Chris G)
  10. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Ryder White)
  11. A Tribute to Anne Charlotte Robertson (Tara Nelson)
  12. Re: experimental cartoon (jaime cleeland)

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From: Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:57:35 -0700
Subject: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
Hi all,

Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays.  It’s on the regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films.  The commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new works and people.

https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter

Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin Zemel, Bryan Konefsky,  John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
Worthy of looking at and feedback.

Best,

Adam
Los Angeles Filmforum

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From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:11:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels
Dunno, but there were as many different hub standards in the thirties
as there are today in the 35mm world.

I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably the
best guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.
--scott

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From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:12:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
Wait... one more thought... you weren't using a rewind tank by any chance,
were you?
--scott

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:16:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels

On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com> wrote:

I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably the
best guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.

Agreed.  Nice guy, too.

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
jeff at kinetta.com
kinetta.com

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From: Diana Arce <darce at visualosmosis.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:24:02 +0200
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
Thanks everyone so much for all the advice, I really appreciate it. The film was stored in a cool, dry space, but it was also a bit old. I will definitely make sure to keep the temperatures real low if I end up doing an older roll again! Also, I developed in a lomotank, so no reminds.

Diana

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From: "William Wees, Dr." <william.wees at mcgill.ca>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:52:51 +0000
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
Nicky’s comment implies disapproval of an experimental film discussion group providing a link to a film composed of recycled and digitally manipulated pornography. (I don’t know if it also implies a disapproval of pornography in general, but that’s not the issue here.)

It’s worth remembering that within the tradition of experimental/avant-garde found-footage films and videos there is a small but persistent sub-genre of works composed in part or entirely of recycled porn, and in many cases, but certainly not all, the images are subjected to various forms of visual manipulation. A few–among many possible–examples: Frédéric Charpentier, “The Dog Star Man Has a Too Big Cock for the Sheba Queen” (I’ll bet not many people in North America have seen that one), Peggy Ahwesh, “The Color of Love,” Luther Price, “Sodom,” Ken Jacobs “XCXHXEXRXRXIXEXSX,” Scott Stark, “Noema,” Bruce Elder, “Crack, Brutal, Grief.” And then there’s my favourite–though its source would have to fall in the “soft porn/girlie movie” category: Bruce Conner’s “Marilyn x Five.”

Knowledgeable Frameworkers will note that none of the films I’ve listed were made later than 2000, which is due to my failure to “keep up” as films, videos, and on-line sites for experimental/avant-garde works have proliferated in the new century. But I’ve no doubt that many more examples of recycled pornography have appeared in one form or another during the last 13 years.

My point is that it is appropriate for Frameworks to provide a “portal” for works with pornographic content.

And in closing, a quote from Paul Arthur’s “A Line of Sight”: “For a number of filmmakers...the appropriation and reworking of actual pornography, or the restaging of its typical mise-en-scene, is a signpost for an erotics of ‘different desiring’ as well as a jab of cultural resistance in a reactionary sexual climate.”

–Bill Wees

From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of nicky.hamlyn at talktalk.net
Sent: September 11, 2013 7:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

Since when did Frameworks become a porno portal?

Nicky.

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From: jaime cleeland <ethnomite at yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

https://archive.org/details/FeralBoyMoreHomemadeXXXartoonsWithTits1

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:12:25 -0400
Subject: [Frameworks] NYC Film-Makers Cooperative Benefit THIS TUESDAY 17th!

THIS TUESDAY IN NYC! 
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From: Echo Park Film Center <info at echoparkfilmcenter.org>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:05:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
Thanks, Adam! Thanks, Kate! Sometimes we get so busy at the Film Center, we forget to toot our own horn...

Check out Marvelous Movie Mondays, Frameworkers, and let us know if you'd like to guest curate… It really is marvelous! 

Lisa Marr
Echo Park Film Center

On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org> wrote:

Hi all,

Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays.  It’s on the regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films.  The commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new works and people.

https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter

Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin Zemel, Bryan Konefsky,  John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
Worthy of looking at and feedback.

Best,

Adam
Los Angeles Filmforum
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:09:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
If you're in NYC you can purchase it directly from Kodak at their office inside of Panavision (go in, fill out a form, pay and get it in 20-30 minutes).

On Sep 14, 2013, at 14:30, Stefan Grabowski <stefan at radonlake.com> wrote:

Hi Sophie, 

If you'll be in New York , you can buy 100' rolls of 16mm film from B&H. Hunt's Photo in Boston also stocks 16mm. Or you could purchase directly from Kodak if you can wait for them to ship it. 

For prints - FotoKem supposedly does good work though I haven't had much experience with them. If you have time to send it to the East Coast, I highly recommend sending to
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