[Frameworks] 16mm --> HD --> 16mm

[laska jimsen]

Trying again now that Frameworks is back up and running


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, laska jimsen <laskaj at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm digging up this old thread to see if anyone has any additional
> thoughts/experience/advice about this workflow.
>
> I'm still using FCP7 and would love to transfer the film to HD and use
> that edit as a digital master while simultaneously generating an EDL
> through CinemaTools to cut the film. I did the Film > Telecine >
> FCP/CinemaTools > EDL > Neg Cutter workflow many years ago in SD and an
> older version of FCP and it was absolutely frame perfect. But it sounds
> like that may be a bust in HD?
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Best,
>
> Laska
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Amy Basen <abasen at calarts.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hey Jodie,
>> I thought the same thing. The keycode is in the metadata so you don't
>> need the window burn (except when you do).
>>
>> My EDL did not match my neg because my flex files were a total mess.
>> Fotokem did the telecine to HDCAM, created the ProRes files and created the
>> flex files. I thought I was saving time and money. It should have worked,
>> but it turned into a massive headache instead. I had to crosscheck the
>> Cinema Tools flex file keycode against the ProRes file which I checked
>> against the work print - then I had to enter the actual/accurate keycode
>> manually in Cinema Tools. It really makes you doubt when cutting your neg.
>>
>> Editing from a window burn version doesn't guarantee against bad EDLs. My
>> friend had the EDL problem as well, but was able to crosscheck against his
>> window burn. It makes it easier to correct and to do so confidently. I
>> completely understand neg cutters requiring that.
>>
>> Skipping a step is only a time saver if the step was unnecessary which
>> can only be determined in hindsight.
>>
>> If you still want to go that route, I would recommend you make sure the
>> lab knows which version of FCP you are using. They need to make the flex
>> files in that version and you need to stay in that version. This all
>> happened when the school was between 6 and 7, so it could have caused or
>> exacerbated  the problem, but Fotokem wasn't sure.
>>
>> :)
>> amy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Jodie Mack <jodiemack77 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Calling all contemporary workflow afficionados!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am working on a new 16mm project and considering making an EDL from a
>>> telecine via Cinema Tools and FCP.  From the EDL, I will cut my
>>> negative and make a sound print via A/B rolls.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be my first time using a telecine and Cinema Tools to edit,
>>> and most of the information I've found involves a two-transfer telecine
>>> process (all dailies in SD first then select shots from EDL in HD).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My shooting ratio is fairly low. I'd like to avoid transferring twice
>>> and use my HD edit as my video master. So, if possible, I'd like to just go
>>> ahead and transfer my rushes to HD Pro Res 24fps (no window burn) with
>>> Evertz keylog file, edit in FCP, generate an EDL, and cut my negative
>>> without running into any issues (3:2 pulldown or otherwise). Can any of you
>>> foresee any problems with this simplified, online-all-the-time workflow?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I being naïve? I feel like this method could work for me - the two
>>> transfer process seems designed for large-scale productions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If any of you have worked this way or teach this workflow, I'd surely
>>> appreciate any advice you can offer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jodie Mack
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Amy Basen
>> California Institute of the Arts
>> Film Services Manager
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>> Valencia, CA 91355
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>>
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