[Frameworks] History question

Mon Jun 27 03:55:57 UTC 2016

was it Thanatopsis? love that film.

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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Colinet André <colinet.andre at coditel.net> wrote:
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> I agree with Myron and Fred.
> That makes three cranky old schoolers.
> Colinet André
> Brussels
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> From: Myron Ort
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:09 AM
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] History question
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> in the 60s we all would shoot elapsed time single exposures of lights at night either moving the camera while exposing or letting the movement of the car or whatever make the streaks, usually superimposing over other stuff.  Not necessarily long term time lapse requiring a timer though...
> Ed Emshwiller did something like this way back, I forget which film…..
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> no big deal, and who cares who did it first…..
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> btw, “Koyaanisqatsi” always just seemed like a high budget student film to me, same subject matter and trivial default message of every student film I saw as a film instructor…..you can hardly go out with your camera in an urban environment and fool around with various techniques and not make a film  with that “message”…….by default….
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> --another cranky old schooler…..
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>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper <f at fredcamper.com> wrote:
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>> Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to me, sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!
>> 
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago
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>>> On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>>> Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.
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>>>      / 
>>> <  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko 
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>>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the Vimeo video?
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>>>> 2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran <televisual at hotmail.com>:
>>>>> Cranky Camper.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper <f at fredcamper.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their own. If you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's kind of an obvious thing to try.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of the 1960s.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not completely).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fred Camper
>>>>>> Chicago
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A historical question:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we?  You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
>>>>>>> https://vimeo.com/25296928
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown since.    
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So who originated this effect?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gregory Gutenko
>>>>>>> 
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