[Frameworks] Painting directly to film

[Myron Ort]

Ingo, yes I saw your disclaimer, I was in the middle of writing my response before I saw that you had amended your statement.

I guess there are two distinctions that I am concerned in making. One, that animation can be made either with a camera or directly onto the film surface, and secondly that there is a difference between a figure based (even rule based) " illustrative mode" and what I have called the “positional mode” of ongoing compositional invention, sometimes in direct defiance of creating referential imagery.  Painting directly to motion picture film can utilize either mode, or hybrid modes utilizing a bit of both. 

> On Dec 3, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Ingo Petzke <ingo at petzke.biz> wrote:
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> Myron
> That is correct – and that’s why I sent a “disclaimer” the same minute I noticed that I hadn’t read your initial question correctly. Sorry.
> What about “Free Radicals” by Len Lye?
> Ingo
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> Von: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] Im Auftrag von Myron Ort
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2017 15:15
> An: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Betreff: Re: [Frameworks] Painting directly to film
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> I do not recall that Oscar Fischinger applied paint directly to film, can you cite an example of his using that technique? True he is considered an “abstract” film animator but I was hoping to make some finer distinctions even within the area of  techniques involving the appication of paint directly to the film surface. Further, within that specialized arena, I was making distinctions between filmmakers who do figurative animation painting each sequential frame accordingly and those who, borrowing “art associative” terms, paint directly onto film with an approach similar to "abstract expressionism”, not necessarily  accounting for the usual predictive movement continuity associated with animation (or live action for that matter), and in some cases would appear to even “ignore” (in  the usual sense) the frame lines.  I sense a resistance here to the making of such distinctions, as if using any terms of distinction would somehow rob the filmmaker of her soul, a fear similar to those who even feel that being photographed might somehow rob them of their very existence. Sometimes we need to invent language, terminology, or words to point to distinctions which do actually exist.
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>> On Dec 3, 2017, at 4:00 AM, Ingo Petzke <ingo at petzke.biz <mailto:ingo at petzke.biz>> wrote:
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>> Wat about some Oscar Fischinger? 
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>> Cheers
>> Ingo
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>> Von: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com <mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com>] Im Auftrag von Myron Ort
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Dezember 2017 21:06
>> An: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>
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>> Can anyone site an example of “abstract expressionist” painting onto film prior to 1968?  (Hopefully with online viewing availability).
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>> https://vimeo.com/220986135 <https://vimeo.com/220986135>
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