[Frameworks] mental Problems

Fri Mar 24 18:27:01 UTC 2017

Ang Lee's Acid scene in Taking Woodstock is pretty good!

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> 24. Re: mental problems (Jana Debus)
> 25. Re: mental problems (Gisèle Gordon)
> 26. Re: mental problems ( todd eacrett )
> 27. Re: mental problems (Hardin, Ted)
> 28. Re: mental problems (Pip Chodorov)
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> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:08:35 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] mental problems
> Gene,
>
> Don't forget Bob Rafelson's "Head"! Or Billy Wilder's "The Lost Weekend,
> or John Korty's  "Go Ask Alice." There's also Uli Edel's "Christian F."
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> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Gene Youngblood <atopia at comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Thanks, Pip. It’s for rent on Amazon, so I’ll take a look.
>>
>> And THANKS TO EVERYONE for your responses to my query.
>>
>>
>> On March 22, 2017 at 9:31:16 PM, Pip Chodorov (frameworks at re-voir.com)
>> wrote:
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>> Gene,
>> Concerning acid trips, Gaspar Noé asked my advice
>> when he was developing his film "Enter the Void."
>> We are both huge fans of Kubrick's 2001 as well
>> as of abstract psychedlic films such as by Jordan
>> Belson and the Whitney brothers. He is also a
>> neighbor in Paris.
>> He asked me what films he should watch to get
>> ideas of how to represent a drug trip, and
>> because he already saw all the films I suggested,
>> his research had consisted in taking various
>> quantities of interesting drugs.
>> I think he succeeded in representing the trip
>> visually as abstract patterns filling the screen.
>> The film is shown strictly in 1st person POV of
>> the main character (we even stare into his eyes
>> as he looks in the mirror, while his eyeblinks
>> are represented as periodic black flickers), and
>> the drug trip clouds that vision.
>> Incidentally there is a structural similarity
>> with 2001 in his film, as the character spends
>> the second half of the film in space-limbo, and
>> the journey ends with a psychedelic trip through
>> a uterus to end in an explosion and a fetus...
>> -Pip
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:41 -0600 22/03/17, Gene Youngblood wrote:
>> >Friends, I¹m seeking recommendations of feature
>> >films with scenes that attempt to visualize
>> >inner states of mind such as breakdowns
>> >(Vertigo), nightmares (Spellbound), acid trips
>> >(Easy Rider) or any other kind of hallucination
>> >(Altered States). Ecstatic or horrific doesn¹t
>> >matter. Thanks.
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> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:17:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] mental problems
> Wow, what responses.
>
> Peeping Tom
>
> Rabbit's Moon?--Kenneth Anger
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> Tenant
>
> Venus in Fur
>
> Confessions--Stan Brakhage
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> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Elizabeth McMahon <elizmcmahon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>>
>> Don't forget Bob Rafelson's "Head"! Or Billy Wilder's "The Lost Weekend,
>> or John Korty's  "Go Ask Alice." There's also Uli Edel's "Christian F."
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Gene Youngblood <atopia at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Pip. It’s for rent on Amazon, so I’ll take a look.
>>>
>>> And THANKS TO EVERYONE for your responses to my query.
>>>
>>>
>>> On March 22, 2017 at 9:31:16 PM, Pip Chodorov (frameworks at re-voir.com)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>> Concerning acid trips, Gaspar Noé asked my advice
>>> when he was developing his film "Enter the Void."
>>> We are both huge fans of Kubrick's 2001 as well
>>> as of abstract psychedlic films such as by Jordan
>>> Belson and the Whitney brothers. He is also a
>>> neighbor in Paris.
>>> He asked me what films he should watch to get
>>> ideas of how to represent a drug trip, and
>>> because he already saw all the films I suggested,
>>> his research had consisted in taking various
>>> quantities of interesting drugs.
>>> I think he succeeded in representing the trip
>>> visually as abstract patterns filling the screen.
>>> The film is shown strictly in 1st person POV of
>>> the main character (we even stare into his eyes
>>> as he looks in the mirror, while his eyeblinks
>>> are represented as periodic black flickers), and
>>> the drug trip clouds that vision.
>>> Incidentally there is a structural similarity
>>> with 2001 in his film, as the character spends
>>> the second half of the film in space-limbo, and
>>> the journey ends with a psychedelic trip through
>>> a uterus to end in an explosion and a fetus...
>>> -Pip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:41 -0600 22/03/17, Gene Youngblood wrote:
>>> >Friends, I¹m seeking recommendations of feature
>>> >films with scenes that attempt to visualize
>>> >inner states of mind such as breakdowns
>>> >(Vertigo), nightmares (Spellbound), acid trips
>>> >(Easy Rider) or any other kind of hallucination
>>> >(Altered States). Ecstatic or horrific doesn¹t
>>> >matter. Thanks.
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> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:34:54 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] mental problems
> Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ (Christ's dream while on the
> cross)
> Kubrick's The Shining (Nicholson's conversations with the bartender)
> The final scene of La La Land might qualify, it's more a reverie than a
> hallucination
> The Wizard of Oz ("There's no place like home...")
> The climactic dream sequence in Horace Ove's Pressure
> The various nightmares in Bunuel's The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
> (including one where the characters sit down to dinner, only to realize
> they're on a theater stage and can't remember their lines)
>
> These examples depict dreams, nightmares, hallucinations, inner states
> etc., but I'm not sure they *visualize *them (as does Kubrick's *2001*).
> I'm having a harder time thinking of narrative feature films that do that.
> Perhaps a better example is Kieslowski's theatrical version of A Short Film
> About Killing, which was filmed with green filters that highlight the
> psychopathy of the protagonist.
>
> I've recently learned that Ben van Meter's Acid Mantra was feature-length
> (and projected multi-screen) in one of its original iterations.
>
> Andy Ditzler
> Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
> Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org
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> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Gene Youngblood <atopia at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Friends, I’m seeking recommendations of feature films with scenes that
>> attempt to visualize inner states of mind such as breakdowns (Vertigo),
>> nightmares (Spellbound), acid trips (Easy Rider) or any other kind of
>> hallucination (Altered States). Ecstatic or horrific doesn’t matter. Thanks.
>>
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