[Frameworks] Linear film editing

Fred Camper f at fredcamper.com
Sun Dec 2 20:22:13 UTC 2018


Mary,

Yes, but you must also have seen what that film editing is intercut with 
at several moments...

Fred Camper
Chicago
On 12/2/2018 11:26 AM, mstarkmcr at gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> Yes Man with A Movie Camera is an important reference for the study, 
> with those great images of Elizaveta Svillova editing with scissors. 
> I’d be interested in any other films that show film being edited. I 
> know of another that shows a a woman, which is Hail Caesar. There is a 
> scene supposedly based upon Margaret Booth who worked for MGM until 
> she was in her late 80s.
>
> All best,
>
> Mary
> On 1 Dec 2018, at 22:24, Fred Camper <f at fredcamper.com 
> <mailto:f at fredcamper.com>> wrote:
>
>> i was glad to hear of your interesting topic. I trust /The Man With 
>> the Movie Camera/ is included?
>>
>> Fred Camper
>>
>> Chicago
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2018 1:24 PM, mstarkmcr at gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback. It has been very helpful!  I stand 
>>> corrected. I somewhat thoughtlessly rushed into sending out the 
>>> survey without checking definitions, as what I meant to find out 
>>> about is about people editing film in a physical non-computerised 
>>> way, not video tape, just photochemical film in any format.
>>>
>>> I’d be interested to know how this discussion list would think this 
>>> would be best described.  I think it is better to leave the linear 
>>> out of it and just term it as ‘editing photochemical film’?
>>>
>>> Just to add that I am in the final year of a practice as research 
>>> PhD investigating historical relationships between filmmaking and 
>>> textile practice, testing through performance the hypothesis that 
>>> film can be compared to fabric and editing to stitching. I will 
>>> submit a performance and a written thesis so the survey will be help 
>>> with the literature and practice review, as I’m interested to know 
>>> about artists who continue to edit film physically, what their 
>>> process is and ideas about why they do it.
>>>
>>> All best,
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On 30 Nov 2018, at 02:37, Christopher Ball <cbifilms at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:cbifilms at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I remember doing sound mixing with 4 U-matic machines, running them 
>>>> all together until they drifted out of sync while mixing audio.  I 
>>>> also editing running 2 U-matics together and punching in on the 
>>>> record machine when I wanted the cut to happen.  What a difference 
>>>> now.  Mind you, film editing was not hard and puts you in a much 
>>>> better headspace than computer editing.
>>>>
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:34 PM Colinet André 
>>>> <colinet.andre at coditel.net <mailto:colinet.andre at coditel.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hello,
>>>>
>>>>     of course you are right with this approach.
>>>>
>>>>     I’m talking about another definition of “non-linear” which is
>>>>     also correct.
>>>>
>>>>     Anyhow I made a lot of linear analogue video editing and every
>>>>     time you had to copy to start a new version until the quality
>>>>     was so bad you had to go back to the originals with the timecodes.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     *Van: *Adam Hyman <mailto:adam at lafilmforum.org>
>>>>     *Verzonden: *vrijdag 30 november 2018 2:04
>>>>     *Aan: *Experimental Film Discussion List
>>>>     <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>>>     <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>>>     *Onderwerp: *Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      I learned in film school during the transition period that
>>>>     what Dave says is correct
>>>>
>>>>     Editing with celluloid is non-linear; early video editing was
>>>>     linear due to the assembly reason that Dave describes;
>>>>     non-linear digital editing was a return to the non-linear
>>>>     editing of celluloid.
>>>>
>>>>     We could have a poll though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     *From: *FrameWorks <frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>>     <mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com>> on behalf of
>>>>     Colinet André <colinet.andre at coditel.net
>>>>     <mailto:colinet.andre at coditel.net>>
>>>>     *Reply-To: *"Experimental Film Discussion List
>>>>     <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>>     <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>"
>>>>     <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>>     <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>
>>>>     *Date: *Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:44 PM
>>>>     *To: *"Experimental Film Discussion List
>>>>     <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>>     <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>"
>>>>     <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>>     <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>
>>>>     *Subject: *Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     *I don’t agree with Dave.*
>>>>
>>>>     *Linear editing means physical linear structuring of film or
>>>>     video footage.*
>>>>
>>>>     *Non linear editing means virtual editing of footage because
>>>>     it’s only a editing list with software.*
>>>>
>>>>     *All the best !!*
>>>>
>>>>     *Colinet André*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     *Van: *Dave Tetzlaff <mailto:djtet53 at gmail.com>
>>>>     *Verzonden: *donderdag 29 november 2018 22:50
>>>>     *Aan: *Experimental Film Discussion List
>>>>     <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>>>     *Onderwerp: *Re: [Frameworks] Linear film editing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     > I'm interested in 'linear film editing', as in cutting and
>>>>     splicing film at an edit bench or Steenbeck or however you do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     That’s not linear editing. Physical film editing is non-linear,
>>>>     which means you can edit anywhere in the piece you want by
>>>>     winding the reels to that spot. Linear editing was how editing
>>>>     in VIDEO was performed pre-computerization. That is, you had to
>>>>     add each shot sequentially from beginning to to end, in that
>>>>     order, and once you got to, say, shot 5, you couldn’t go back
>>>>     and trim the cut between 1 and 2 without starting over.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Needless to say, linear editing is a pain in the ass, and
>>>>     anyone who had ever editied film found it extremely frustrating
>>>>     and limitiing. Thus non-linear video editing was invented by
>>>>     commercial filmmakers after video became integrated into
>>>>     feature film produstion via special effects and ‘workprinting’.
>>>>     For example, one of the earliest experimental systems, the
>>>>     Editdroid, was built by Lucasfilm in the early ‘80s. In fact,
>>>>     before the term ‘non-linear editing’ came into common use in
>>>>     the 1990s, these systems were called ‘electronic film editing’,
>>>>     because they gave editors working with video footage the same
>>>>     flexibility that physical film editing had always offered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     You have checked your definitions before creating your survey…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system#History
>>>>
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