[Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and participatory filmmaker(s)
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org> wrote:
> Sonya stated "I'm especially interested in films from the last 25-30
> years.” These suggestions are from the late 60s and early 70s. Has there
> really been nothing that fits the bill made in the USA since 1990? And
> outside the USA?
> There are many many films where the filmmaker is visible. Almost every
> Werner Herzog film, for example. The group activity with the filmmaker as
> participant is the challenging part.
>
> Sonya, does something like “The Act of Killing” (Joshua Oppenheimer) fit
> the bill? The enacted scenes of the genocidaires fantasy films were
> organized by the filmmakers. They are a sort of group activity, and the
> filmmakers are an active participant. There is some direct address to
> Joshua later in the film, but I don’t recall whether any filmmakers
> are visible in those enacted scenes.
>
> Or how about groups like bands, teams, or such where one member is making
> the film. Does Dave Grohl’s “Sound City” count? Other band docs directed
> by members? (isn’t there on by the Beastie Boys?)
>
> I think overall you are more likely to find such films not in the USA,
> where the individual still reigns supreme and filmmakers in standard docs
> are still supposed to be watchers and not participants. “Experimental”
> docs often have a filmmaker participant, but the group activity element is
> tough. I know of a couple of films that live more in the art world than
> the doc world that look at group therapy, have staged scenes, and so
> forth. But those are also tough due to doctor-patient privilege, so there
> may be no scenes of the “ actual” group therapy session. The filmmakers
> aren’t patients in therapy; they do set up the staged scenes though with
> the patients in the group, and thus participate in that sense. Does that
> interest you?
>
> How about “The Cove”? Wasn’t the filmmaker working with the people doing
> the action against dolphin hunters? Or am I misremembering?
>
> Does the filmmaker have to be a camera person? There are plenty of sports
> films, like ski stunt films, where the camera people are the skiers, for
> example, but are they the filmmakers? Or is a filmmaker only someone who
> directs and edits?
>
> Are there films that anyone can think of, perhaps, with a class in a
> school, and the teacher is making the film?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Adam
>
> From: FrameWorks <frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com> on behalf of
> Christian Bruno <honeyhouses at hotmail.com>
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> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 12:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and
> participatory filmmaker(s)
>
> I'm guessing William Greaves' *Symbiopsychotaxiplasm, Take One* would be
> an excellent example.
>
>
> best
>
> Christian
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Scott MacDonald <smacdona at hamilton.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:58 AM
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List; sonya.mladenova at gmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and
> participatory filmmaker(s)
>
> *Peter Watkins: Punishment Park (1970) and really most all of Watkins'
> work.*
>
> *Scott*
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Sonya Mladenova <
> sonya.mladenova at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Looking for documentary films shot with/within a group of people engaged
> in an activity or some kind of project, independently or in an organized
> environment,*in which the filmmaker is a visible and/or an active
> participatory presence*. I'm especially interested in films from the last
> 25-30 years. I'm investigating the relationship between the filmed
> person(s) and the person(s) filming, whatever the configuration.
>
>
> Somes examples, but not limited in scope:
> Starless Dreams by Mehrdad Oskouei
> À ciel ouvert by Mariana Otero
> La moindre des choses by Nicolas Philibert
>
> Many many thanks,
>
> Sonya
>
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