[Frameworks] Thank you Eric! Re: FrameWorks Digest, Vol 106, Issue 26

erika suderburg towerfilms at att.net
Sat Mar 23 18:12:29 UTC 2019 

Thank you Eric!


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>   1. Chris Marker les vies d'un cineaste??? (erika suderburg)
>   2. Re: Chris Marker les vies d'un cineaste??? (Eric Theise)
>   3. Re: tips for shooting on print stock? (Ben Balcom)
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> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:25:23 -0700
> From: erika suderburg <towerfilms at att.net>
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] Chris Marker les vies d'un cineaste???
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> Hello Has anyone had luck purchasing the catalog for Chris Marker les vies d'un cineaste edited by Raymond Bellour and Christine Van Assche for the Cinemateque Francais 2018? 
> Iam unable to find one and would like to. Have looked on CF site and all amazons. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks
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> Erika Suderburg
> University of California, Riverside 
> Chair, Department of Media and Cultural Studies
> Director, Gluck Fellows Program for the Arts. 
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> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:32:58 -0700
> From: Eric Theise <erictheise at gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Chris Marker les vies d'un cineaste???
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> Hi Erika,
> 
> This search turns up a number of non-US Amazons and AbeBooks vendors.
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> https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?isbn=9782330015695&st=xl&ac=qr
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> Eric
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> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 10:25 AM erika suderburg <towerfilms at att.net> wrote:
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>> Hello Has anyone had luck purchasing the catalog for Chris Marker les vies
>> d'un cineaste edited by Raymond Bellour and Christine Van Assche for the
>> Cinemateque Francais 2018?
>> Iam unable to find one and would like to. Have looked on CF site and all
>> amazons. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Erika Suderburg
>> University of California, Riverside
>> Chair, Department of Media and Cultural Studies
>> Director, Gluck Fellows Program for the Arts.
>> Cooperating Faculty, Department of
>> Comparative Literature & Foreign Languages
>> Office: 951 827-2685
>> Home: 323 660-4170
>> erikasuderburg.com
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> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:47:31 -0500
> From: Ben Balcom <benbalcom at gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] tips for shooting on print stock?
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> Sorry to co-opt this thread, but Nicole at what stage do you remove the
> remjet? As a last step? Or pre-bath? Any recs for baking-soda to water
> ratio? Thanks!
> 
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 3:53 PM Nicole Baker <nebaker at pnca.edu> wrote:
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>> The removing the remjet (the backing you speak of) has been greatly
>> exaggerated in terms of how hard it is. I use a warm baking soda bath and a
>> quick wipe down with a damp microfiber cloth.  Not a speck remains.
>> Theres some great tutorials on YouTube to employ a variety of removal
>> methods, if anyone is interested.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:07 AM trevor adams <trevora26 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mr. Antos is correct, sir.  It's less than half the going rate of
>>> reversal.  Also, this particular stock doesn't have the backing which makes
>>> hand-processing arduous (as it's been explained to me).  And ignorance is
>>> about the most cultivated quality in my work!
>>> Trevor Adams
>>> sinemodafatestare.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* FrameWorks <frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com> on behalf of
>>> Julian Antos <julian at chicagofilmsociety.org>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2019 12:14 AM
>>> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] tips for shooting on print stock?
>>> 
>>> I think the appeal is that it?s much cheaper!
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 7:11 PM Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> pardon my ignorance but I have never understood the use of print stock
>>> as camera original. Would using reversal accomplish similar results?
>>> 
>>> 2019-03-20 12:20 GMT-04:00, MONO NO AWARE <mononoawarefilm at gmail.com>:
>>>> https://vimeo.com/290301242
>>>> 
>>>> Results from our workshop.   A few water marks, but for their first
>>> time in
>>>> the lab processing, to be cross processing and have these results its
>>>> pretty good, could have used a darker orange filter, but it was overcast
>>>> and we couldn't forfeit the light.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> *MONO NO AWARE*
>>>> 501c3 Cinema Arts Non-Profit Organization est. 2007
>>>> | Film Stock | Equipment | Lab Facilities | Workshops |
>>>> a: 33 Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn New York
>>>> <
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/dir//33+Flatbush+Ave,+Brooklyn,+NY+11217/@40.6877184,-73.9819882,17z/data=!4m17!1m7!3m6!1s0x89c25bb25464b153:0x663d26fd9a518085!2s33+Flatbush+Ave,+Brooklyn,+NY+11217!3b1!8m2!3d40.6877184!4d-73.9797995!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c25bb25464b153:0x663d26fd9a518085!2m2!1d-73.9797995!2d40.6877184!3e2
>>>> 
>>>> e: mononoawarefilm.com c: +1 2674561143 <%2B1%20267%20456-1143> in:gram
>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/mononoawarefilm/>
>>>> <%2B1%20267%20456-1143>
>>>> press: New York Times
>>>> <
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/nyregion/a-brooklyn-film-school-where-the-digital-revolution-didnt-happen.html
>>>> ,
>>>> ViceTV
>>>> <
>>> https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/the-brooklyn-film-organization-bringing-analog-back-to-the-masses/584f0f243d8095724ccdaf1e
>>>> ,
>>>> The Brooklyn Rail
>>>> <https://brooklynrail.org/2018/11/film/Mixed-Use-MONO-NO-AWARE>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:13 PM Anna Kipervaser
>>>> <anna.kipervaser at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am often shooting on 3383; I use an 85 filter (orange to compensate
>>> for
>>>>> lack of orange base in the stock and to get near true color) and rate
>>>>> 3383
>>>>> at 3. Then I process in Tetenal E6 in a lomo reel/tank. Recipe below.
>>>>> 
>>>>> FD: 100 degrees F, 2:45min
>>>>> H2O: 5min, warm, not warmer than 100 degrees F
>>>>> CD: 100 degrees F, 6min
>>>>> H2O: 5min, warm, not warmer than 100 degrees F
>>>>> BLIX: 100 degrees F, 6min
>>>>> H2O: 10min, cool.
>>>>> Stabilizer out of tank: 30sec
>>>>> Shake reel
>>>>> Hang film to dry
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, Mono No Aware has had successful results with C41.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Always,
>>>>> Anna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> anna kipervaser
>>>>> 847.571.6943
>>>>> 
>>>>> annakipervaser.com
>>>>> yellowfilmlab.com
>>>>> onlookfilms.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:03 AM <
>>> frameworks-request at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
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>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of FrameWorks digest..."
>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   1. Re: Barbara Hammer, RIP (Dominic Angerame)
>>>>>>   2. tips for shooting on print stock? (trevor adams)
>>>>>>   3. Re: tips for shooting on print stock? (Scott Dorsey)
>>>>>>   4. Re: tips for shooting on print stock? (Nicole Baker)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Dominic Angerame <dominic.angerame at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>> 
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:23:19 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Barbara Hammer, RIP
>>>>>> I am so sorry to hear this. I worked with Barbara for many years while
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> Canyon Cinema and always admired her courage, strength and commitment
>>> to
>>>>>> avant- cinema and women filmmakers around the world.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Her dynamic energy is certainly a loss to the community.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dominic Angerame
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Ruth Hayes <randomruth at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just want to acknowledge Barbara Hammer?s passing, her influence on
>>> so
>>>>>> many experimental filmmakers, including myself, and her courage,
>>>>>> playfulness and indomitable spirit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peace,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ruth Hayes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.randommotion.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> blogs.evergreen.edu/hayesr
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: trevor adams <trevora26 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>> 
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:20:12 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: [Frameworks] tips for shooting on print stock?
>>>>>> Hiya one'n all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm seeking any advice/ tips for shooting on 3383 color vision print
>>>>>> stock, with a bolex.  Everybody I've spoken to says use an ASA of 5,
>>> I'm
>>>>>> not sure if i should even take light readings?  Anything would be
>>>>>> helpful...
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Trevor Adams
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:25:49 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] tips for shooting on print stock?
>>>>>> 5 seems optimistic.  Shoot a test.
>>>>>> --scott
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Nicole Baker <nebaker at pnca.edu>
>>>>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>> 
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:12:57 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] tips for shooting on print stock?
>>>>>> I haven't tried print stock, but have played with film I made myself
>>>>>> (handmade emulsion applied to clear leader) and that is also rated at
>>> a
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> (if that).  I would still absolutely take light readings, especially
>>> if
>>>>>> you're pointing at the light source, you might be surprised how much
>>>>>> light
>>>>>> it throws off.  Maybe try spot metering instead of ambient.  I find
>>> that
>>>>>> helps me "see" the scene the way the film might.
>>>>>> Post your results!  I'd love to see them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nicole Elaine Baker
>>>>>> MFA in Visual Studies, 2019
>>>>>> Pacific Northwest College of Art
>>>>>> Hallie Ford School of Graduate Studies
>>>>>> *www.magiklantern.com <http://www.magiklantern.com>*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 9:20 AM trevor adams <trevora26 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hiya one'n all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm seeking any advice/ tips for shooting on 3383 color vision print
>>>>>>> stock, with a bolex.  Everybody I've spoken to says use an ASA of 5,
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> not sure if i should even take light readings?  Anything would be
>>>>>>> helpful...
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Trevor Adams
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
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Erika Suderburg
University of California, Riverside 
Chair, Department of Media and Cultural Studies
Director, Gluck Fellows Program for the Arts
Cooperating Faculty, Department of
Comparative Literature & Foreign Languages
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