[Frameworks] "phi phenomenon"

Sat Aug 22 17:58:07 UTC 2020

Didn’t the Gestalt psychology movement deal with this phenomenon.

"Gestalt principles of movement perception
In 1912 Wertheimer discovered the phi phenomenon, an optical illusion in which stationary objects shown in rapid succession, transcending the threshold at which they can be perceived separately, appear to move. ... …is referred to as the phi phenomenon.”

https://www.psychologynoteshq.com/phi-phenomenon-and-psychology/

> On Aug 22, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Santiago Fernandez <nicolopolo77 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Bernie,
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> As far as I understand Deleuze, one of the few exceptions he does while following Bergson is that Bergson can’t or is unwilling to accept the image movement as illusion,Bergson can’t let go the machination that creates it;  Deleuze says if it’s percieved as movement - wether one is aware of the trickery or not - it is image movement. Otherwise, Deleuze wouldn’t have any thesis at all.
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>> El 22 ago 2020, a la(s) 12:28, Michael Betancourt <hinterland.movies at gmail.com> escribió:
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>> Hi Bernard,
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>> What do you mean by Deleuze then?
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>> It's very easy to reject or deny what someone else says when you haven't explained your view yet. How about you explain it yourself?
>> 
>> Michael
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>>> On Aug 22, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Bernard Roddy <roddybp0 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> proofing my post:
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>>> 'It's as if the lab protects the writer from philosophy.'
>>> 
>>> 'Now, all these tests [. . .]"
>>> 
>>> Bernie
>>> 
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>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:13 PM Bernard Roddy <roddybp0 at gmail.com <mailto:roddybp0 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi Pip:
>>> 
>>> The perceptual experiments you describe don't seem to me to be necessary. We already have the moving image of cinema. What I have noticed, however, is that there is an attraction to the various lab studies. And this will be of particular interest for "experimental" animation.
>>> 
>>> One of the things I am a little impatient with is this continual observation that Delueze is somehow not saying anything about whatever we want to identify as this "phi phenomenon." It's as if the lab protests the writer from philosophy. All I have to do is open these first pages of Deleuze to see that his thinking begins with broader questions than some sort of film history.
>>> 
>>> You write that "Deleuze rejects the notion that motion is an illusion created from stills [. . .]." The very reliance on illusion, as far as I can tell, has no relevance in what I understand of Deleuze. So, in a sense, I can agree. But this point doesn't shed any light on what Deleuze thinks. (I don't think A Thousand Plateaus is a reference.)
>>> 
>>> No, all these details about tests with lights going on and off reminds me of Bergson, who is also reading that kind of research, or what we would today call cognitive science (only it's usually involving people who have suffered injury of some kind and can thus provide a case study without any ethical difficulty).
>>> 
>>> Let's go to this Gary Beydler. I've never heard of him. But the description lends itself to what goes for "experiment" in film. And that would belong also to what we encounter in psychological research that subscribes to the same philosophical orientation. That orientation, if I'm not mistaken, is rejected by Deleuze. For one thing, it fails to recognize the conception of movement and time that we find in Bergson. But we're all pretty versed in these effects, and so (as I see it) we present these as the philosophy of relevance.
>>> 
>>> Deleuze isn't easy. But he's damn interesting, and this is in part because he'll formulate all these notions of images to talk about changes over the history of narrative cinema (he's selective, and says this history doesn't include all the screen work we might be paying for). 
>>> 
>>> (And I signed on to open a thought about the avant-garde.)
>>> 
>>> Bernie
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