[Frameworks] FrameWorks Digest, Vol 117, Issue 21
Robert Withers
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Tue Feb 25 21:31:01 UTC 2020
Please add a beautiful Super16 film directed by Asia Argento — you’d swear it was 35.
Misunderstood (Italian <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language>: Incompresa) is a 2014 Italian drama film <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drama_film> directed by Asia Argento <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Argento>.[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misunderstood_(2014_film)#cite_note-NYT-1> It was selected to compete in the Un Certain Regard <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_Certain_Regard> section at the 2014 Cannes Film Festival <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Cannes_Film_Festival>.[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misunderstood_(2014_film)#cite_note-Cannes2014-2>
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> 1. 50 Years of Super 16 (Julian Antos)
> 2. Re: 50 Years of Super 16 (Scooterboi's Dad)
> 3. Re: 50 Years of Super 16 (Adam Hyman)
> 4. 7th Annual Flamingo Film Festival (CFF) (Shane Eason)
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> From: Julian Antos <julian at chicagofilmsociety.org>
> Subject: [Frameworks] 50 Years of Super 16
> Date: February 24, 2020 at 5:18:33 PM EST
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> As part of the unofficial 50th anniversary of Super 16, Chicago Film Society is attempting to create a list of all films shot on this great format. While I don't think it will be possible to list all of them, I'd like to get as comprehensive as possible. I'm pasting a list of titles below - if anyone has any to add, let me know and I can share you on our spreadsheet - we're also collecting data on labs, cameras, and filmstocks used. Not just interested in features, but also shorts and music videos, new and old.
>
> We're also having a year long Super-16 sidebar as part of our programming. The next film will be UNCLE BOONMEE WHO CAN RECALL HIS PAST LIVES (Screening on 35mm), preceded by Jodie Mack's “Blanket Statement #2: It’s All or Nothing” - Screening details here <https://www.chicagofilmsociety.org/2020/02/20/uncle-boonmee/>.
>
> Also: if anyone has Super 16 stories or information to share, please write to me!
>
> Best,
>
> Julian
>
> List of Titles Shot in Super 16 (work in progress!!)
>
> Title Director Release Date
> 84 Charlie Mopic Patrick Duncan 1989
> A Bread Factory Patrick Wang 2018
> A Mighty Wind Christopher Guest 2003
> Admissions Melissa Painter 2004
> Alambrista! Robert M. Young 1977
> Ballad of Gregorio Cortez Robert M. Young 1982
> Beasts of the Southern Wild Benh Zeitlin 2012
> Beeswax Andrew Bujalski 2009
> Best in Show Christopher Guest 2000
> Black Swan Darren Aronofsky 2010
> Blue Valentine Derek Cianfrance 2010
> Blushing Charlie Vilgot Sjöman 1970
> Carol Todd Haynes 2015
> Certain Women Kelly Reichardt 2016
> Chained for Life Aaron Schimberg 2018
> CIRCUS Lear Levin 1984
> City of God Fernando Mereille 2002
> Coastlines Victor Nunez 2008
> Combination Platter Tony Chan 1993
> Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean Robert Altman 1982
> "Distant Harmony" Pavarotti in China DeWitt Sage <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0756040/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1987
> Dog Soldiers Neil Marshall 2002
> Downtown 81 Edo Bertoglio 2000
> Flash of Green Victor Nunez 1984
> For Us, The Living: The Medgar Evers Story Michael Schultz 1983
> Force of Circumstance Liza Bear 1990
> Frownland Ronald Bronstein 2007
> Fruitvale Station Ryan Coogler 2013
> Golden Exits Alex Ross Perry 2017
> Half Nelson Ryan Fleck 2006
> Happy Christmas Joe Swanberg 2014
> Harsh Times David Ayer 2005
> Hero Alexandre Rockwell 1983
> Hustle and Flow Craig Brewer 2005
> Jackie Pablo Larraín 2016
> Junebug Phil Morrison 2005
> Just Another Girl on the IRT Leslie Harris 1992
> Leaving Las Vegas Mike Figgis 1995
> Listen Up Phillip Alex Ross Perry 2014
> Manhattan by Numbers Amir Naderi 1993
> Metropolitan Whit Stillman 1990
> Monsoon Wedding Mira Nair 2001
> Moonrise Kingdom Wes Anderson 2012
> Mr. Roosevelt Noël Wells 2017
> Never Die Alone Ernest Dickerson 2004
> Old Joy Kelly Reichardt 2006
> Parting Glances Bill Sherwood 1986
> Person to Person Dustin Guy Defa 2017
> Primer Shane Carruth 2004
> Queen of Earth Alex Ross Perry 2015
> Ruby in Paradise Victor Nunez 1993
> Rum Diaries Bruce Robinson <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0732430/?ref_=ttfc_fc_dr1> 2011
> She’s Gotta Have it Spike Lee 1986
> Shortbus John Cameron Mitchell 2006
> Silver City John Sayles 2004
> Southern Justice M.D. Selig 2006
> Steve Jobs (Partial) Danny Boyle 2015
> Surrender, Dorothy Charles McDougall 2006
> The Ballad of Jack and Rose Rebecca Miller 2005
> The Big Blue Andrew Horn 1988
> The Color Wheel Alex Ross Perry 2011
> The Devil's Rejects Rob Zombie 2005
> The Draughtman’s Contract Peter Greenaway 1982
> The Grief of Others Patrick Wang 2015
> The Hurt Locker Kathryn Bigelow 2008
> The Making of “And God Spoke" Mark and Arthur Borman 1993
> The Meyerowitz Stories Noah Baumbach 2017
> The Old Man and the Gun David Lowery 2018
> The Paperboy Lee Daniels 2012
> The Squid and the Whale Noah Baumbach 2005
> The Woman in the Moon Ariadne Kimberly <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453866/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1996
> The Wrestler Darren Aronofsky 2008
> Tommorrow Night Louis C.K. <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0127373/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1998
> Ulee’s Gold Victor Nunez 1997
> Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives Apichatpong Weerasethakul 2010
> Vanya on 42nd Street Louis Malle <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001501/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1994
> Vera Drake Mike Leigh 2004
> Waiting for Guffman Christopher Guest 1996
> Walk the Walk Robert Kramer 1996
> Wendy and Lucy Kelly Reichardt 2008
> Wigstock: The Movie <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114937/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1> Barry Shils <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0793522/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1995
> Win it All Joe Swanberg 2017
> Working Girls Lizzie Borden 1986
>
> --
> Julian Antos
> Chicago Film Society
> www.chicagofilmsociety.org <http://www.northwestchicagofilmsociety.org/>
> 773 827 8991 <tel:(773)%20827-8991>
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> From: "Scooterboi's Dad" <panaflex at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 50 Years of Super 16
> Date: February 24, 2020 at 5:25:52 PM EST
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>
>
> Chasing Amy. D. Kevin Smith 1997
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 2:19 PM Julian Antos <julian at chicagofilmsociety.org <mailto:julian at chicagofilmsociety.org>> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As part of the unofficial 50th anniversary of Super 16, Chicago Film Society is attempting to create a list of all films shot on this great format. While I don't think it will be possible to list all of them, I'd like to get as comprehensive as possible. I'm pasting a list of titles below - if anyone has any to add, let me know and I can share you on our spreadsheet - we're also collecting data on labs, cameras, and filmstocks used. Not just interested in features, but also shorts and music videos, new and old.
>
> We're also having a year long Super-16 sidebar as part of our programming. The next film will be UNCLE BOONMEE WHO CAN RECALL HIS PAST LIVES (Screening on 35mm), preceded by Jodie Mack's “Blanket Statement #2: It’s All or Nothing” - Screening details here <https://www.chicagofilmsociety.org/2020/02/20/uncle-boonmee/>.
>
> Also: if anyone has Super 16 stories or information to share, please write to me!
>
> Best,
>
> Julian
>
> List of Titles Shot in Super 16 (work in progress!!)
>
> Title Director Release Date
> 84 Charlie Mopic Patrick Duncan 1989
> A Bread Factory Patrick Wang 2018
> A Mighty Wind Christopher Guest 2003
> Admissions Melissa Painter 2004
> Alambrista! Robert M. Young 1977
> Ballad of Gregorio Cortez Robert M. Young 1982
> Beasts of the Southern Wild Benh Zeitlin 2012
> Beeswax Andrew Bujalski 2009
> Best in Show Christopher Guest 2000
> Black Swan Darren Aronofsky 2010
> Blue Valentine Derek Cianfrance 2010
> Blushing Charlie Vilgot Sjöman 1970
> Carol Todd Haynes 2015
> Certain Women Kelly Reichardt 2016
> Chained for Life Aaron Schimberg 2018
> CIRCUS Lear Levin 1984
> City of God Fernando Mereille 2002
> Coastlines Victor Nunez 2008
> Combination Platter Tony Chan 1993
> Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean Robert Altman 1982
> "Distant Harmony" Pavarotti in China DeWitt Sage <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0756040/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1987
> Dog Soldiers Neil Marshall 2002
> Downtown 81 Edo Bertoglio 2000
> Flash of Green Victor Nunez 1984
> For Us, The Living: The Medgar Evers Story Michael Schultz 1983
> Force of Circumstance Liza Bear 1990
> Frownland Ronald Bronstein 2007
> Fruitvale Station Ryan Coogler 2013
> Golden Exits Alex Ross Perry 2017
> Half Nelson Ryan Fleck 2006
> Happy Christmas Joe Swanberg 2014
> Harsh Times David Ayer 2005
> Hero Alexandre Rockwell 1983
> Hustle and Flow Craig Brewer 2005
> Jackie Pablo Larraín 2016
> Junebug Phil Morrison 2005
> Just Another Girl on the IRT Leslie Harris 1992
> Leaving Las Vegas Mike Figgis 1995
> Listen Up Phillip Alex Ross Perry 2014
> Manhattan by Numbers Amir Naderi 1993
> Metropolitan Whit Stillman 1990
> Monsoon Wedding Mira Nair 2001
> Moonrise Kingdom Wes Anderson 2012
> Mr. Roosevelt Noël Wells 2017
> Never Die Alone Ernest Dickerson 2004
> Old Joy Kelly Reichardt 2006
> Parting Glances Bill Sherwood 1986
> Person to Person Dustin Guy Defa 2017
> Primer Shane Carruth 2004
> Queen of Earth Alex Ross Perry 2015
> Ruby in Paradise Victor Nunez 1993
> Rum Diaries Bruce Robinson <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0732430/?ref_=ttfc_fc_dr1> 2011
> She’s Gotta Have it Spike Lee 1986
> Shortbus John Cameron Mitchell 2006
> Silver City John Sayles 2004
> Southern Justice M.D. Selig 2006
> Steve Jobs (Partial) Danny Boyle 2015
> Surrender, Dorothy Charles McDougall 2006
> The Ballad of Jack and Rose Rebecca Miller 2005
> The Big Blue Andrew Horn 1988
> The Color Wheel Alex Ross Perry 2011
> The Devil's Rejects Rob Zombie 2005
> The Draughtman’s Contract Peter Greenaway 1982
> The Grief of Others Patrick Wang 2015
> The Hurt Locker Kathryn Bigelow 2008
> The Making of “And God Spoke" Mark and Arthur Borman 1993
> The Meyerowitz Stories Noah Baumbach 2017
> The Old Man and the Gun David Lowery 2018
> The Paperboy Lee Daniels 2012
> The Squid and the Whale Noah Baumbach 2005
> The Woman in the Moon Ariadne Kimberly <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453866/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1996
> The Wrestler Darren Aronofsky 2008
> Tommorrow Night Louis C.K. <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0127373/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1998
> Ulee’s Gold Victor Nunez 1997
> Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives Apichatpong Weerasethakul 2010
> Vanya on 42nd Street Louis Malle <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001501/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1994
> Vera Drake Mike Leigh 2004
> Waiting for Guffman Christopher Guest 1996
> Walk the Walk Robert Kramer 1996
> Wendy and Lucy Kelly Reichardt 2008
> Wigstock: The Movie <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114937/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1> Barry Shils <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0793522/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1995
> Win it All Joe Swanberg 2017
> Working Girls Lizzie Borden 1986
>
> --
> Julian Antos
> Chicago Film Society
> www.chicagofilmsociety.org <http://www.northwestchicagofilmsociety.org/>
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> From: Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 50 Years of Super 16
> Date: February 24, 2020 at 9:36:00 PM EST
> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>" <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>
>
> Ben Rivers has filmed 1 or 2; I need to check titles.
>
> From: FrameWorks <frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com <mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com>> on behalf of Scooterboi's Dad <panaflex at gmail.com <mailto:panaflex at gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>" <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>
> Date: Monday, February 24, 2020 at 2:25 PM
> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>" <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <mailto:frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 50 Years of Super 16
>
> Chasing Amy. D. Kevin Smith 1997
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 2:19 PM Julian Antos <julian at chicagofilmsociety.org <mailto:julian at chicagofilmsociety.org>> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As part of the unofficial 50th anniversary of Super 16, Chicago Film Society is attempting to create a list of all films shot on this great format. While I don't think it will be possible to list all of them, I'd like to get as comprehensive as possible. I'm pasting a list of titles below - if anyone has any to add, let me know and I can share you on our spreadsheet - we're also collecting data on labs, cameras, and filmstocks used. Not just interested in features, but also shorts and music videos, new and old.
>
> We're also having a year long Super-16 sidebar as part of our programming. The next film will be UNCLE BOONMEE WHO CAN RECALL HIS PAST LIVES (Screening on 35mm), preceded by Jodie Mack's “Blanket Statement #2: It’s All or Nothing” - Screening details here <https://www.chicagofilmsociety.org/2020/02/20/uncle-boonmee/>.
>
> Also: if anyone has Super 16 stories or information to share, please write to me!
>
> Best,
>
> Julian
>
> List of Titles Shot in Super 16 (work in progress!!)
>
> Title Director Release Date
> 84 Charlie Mopic Patrick Duncan 1989
> A Bread Factory Patrick Wang 2018
> A Mighty Wind Christopher Guest 2003
> Admissions Melissa Painter 2004
> Alambrista! Robert M. Young 1977
> Ballad of Gregorio Cortez Robert M. Young 1982
> Beasts of the Southern Wild Benh Zeitlin 2012
> Beeswax Andrew Bujalski 2009
> Best in Show Christopher Guest 2000
> Black Swan Darren Aronofsky 2010
> Blue Valentine Derek Cianfrance 2010
> Blushing Charlie Vilgot Sjöman 1970
> Carol Todd Haynes 2015
> Certain Women Kelly Reichardt 2016
> Chained for Life Aaron Schimberg 2018
> CIRCUS Lear Levin 1984
> City of God Fernando Mereille 2002
> Coastlines Victor Nunez 2008
> Combination Platter Tony Chan 1993
> Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean Robert Altman 1982
> "Distant Harmony" Pavarotti in China DeWitt Sage <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0756040/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1987
> Dog Soldiers Neil Marshall 2002
> Downtown 81 Edo Bertoglio 2000
> Flash of Green Victor Nunez 1984
> For Us, The Living: The Medgar Evers Story Michael Schultz 1983
> Force of Circumstance Liza Bear 1990
> Frownland Ronald Bronstein 2007
> Fruitvale Station Ryan Coogler 2013
> Golden Exits Alex Ross Perry 2017
> Half Nelson Ryan Fleck 2006
> Happy Christmas Joe Swanberg 2014
> Harsh Times David Ayer 2005
> Hero Alexandre Rockwell 1983
> Hustle and Flow Craig Brewer 2005
> Jackie Pablo Larraín 2016
> Junebug Phil Morrison 2005
> Just Another Girl on the IRT Leslie Harris 1992
> Leaving Las Vegas Mike Figgis 1995
> Listen Up Phillip Alex Ross Perry 2014
> Manhattan by Numbers Amir Naderi 1993
> Metropolitan Whit Stillman 1990
> Monsoon Wedding Mira Nair 2001
> Moonrise Kingdom Wes Anderson 2012
> Mr. Roosevelt Noël Wells 2017
> Never Die Alone Ernest Dickerson 2004
> Old Joy Kelly Reichardt 2006
> Parting Glances Bill Sherwood 1986
> Person to Person Dustin Guy Defa 2017
> Primer Shane Carruth 2004
> Queen of Earth Alex Ross Perry 2015
> Ruby in Paradise Victor Nunez 1993
> Rum Diaries Bruce Robinson <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0732430/?ref_=ttfc_fc_dr1> 2011
> She’s Gotta Have it Spike Lee 1986
> Shortbus John Cameron Mitchell 2006
> Silver City John Sayles 2004
> Southern Justice M.D. Selig 2006
> Steve Jobs (Partial) Danny Boyle 2015
> Surrender, Dorothy Charles McDougall 2006
> The Ballad of Jack and Rose Rebecca Miller 2005
> The Big Blue Andrew Horn 1988
> The Color Wheel Alex Ross Perry 2011
> The Devil's Rejects Rob Zombie 2005
> The Draughtman’s Contract Peter Greenaway 1982
> The Grief of Others Patrick Wang 2015
> The Hurt Locker Kathryn Bigelow 2008
> The Making of “And God Spoke" Mark and Arthur Borman 1993
> The Meyerowitz Stories Noah Baumbach 2017
> The Old Man and the Gun David Lowery 2018
> The Paperboy Lee Daniels 2012
> The Squid and the Whale Noah Baumbach 2005
> The Woman in the Moon Ariadne Kimberly <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453866/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1996
> The Wrestler Darren Aronofsky 2008
> Tommorrow Night Louis C.K. <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0127373/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1998
> Ulee’s Gold Victor Nunez 1997
> Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives Apichatpong Weerasethakul 2010
> Vanya on 42nd Street Louis Malle <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001501/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1994
> Vera Drake Mike Leigh 2004
> Waiting for Guffman Christopher Guest 1996
> Walk the Walk Robert Kramer 1996
> Wendy and Lucy Kelly Reichardt 2008
> Wigstock: The Movie <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114937/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1> Barry Shils <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0793522/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> 1995
> Win it All Joe Swanberg 2017
> Working Girls Lizzie Borden 1986
>
> --
> Julian Antos
> Chicago Film Society
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> From: Shane Eason <shaneeason at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: [Frameworks] 7th Annual Flamingo Film Festival (CFF)
> Date: February 24, 2020 at 10:24:20 PM EST
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>
>
> Fellow academic types, student filmmakers, media mashers, cinephiles, etc…
>
> FFF 2020 Call For Films
> This year’s 7th Annual Flamingo Film Festival submission portal is open via FilmFreeway <https://filmfreeway.com/FlamingoFilmFest>. The regular deadline is March 21st and fees are $10 per entry.
> But for all you subscribers here, use code FFF20Frame at checkout which knocks 90% off. Your submission fee then becomes a measly dollar! Feel free to
> share with friends, colleagues and students. And if submitting a film, please review the festival’s criteria. Contact me off-list if you have questions.
>
> FFF Mandate
> The Flamingo Film Festival is dedicated to exhibiting the international short films and videos produced by student filmmakers. For the past six installments,
> this event, held in sunny South Florida, has honored outstanding dramatic, documentary, experimental, music video, and animated projects created by students
> while enrolled in a college, university or other post-secondary institution. It's the goal of the Flamingo Film Festival to continue to encourage student creativity,
> recognizing achievements in film and video.
>
> FFF Date + Location
> This year's festival will be held April 25th, 2020 at ArtServe <https://www.artserve.org/> in Fort Lauderdale, FL. (*Location subject to change. Times and programs TBD.)
>
> FFF Info + Contact
> flamingofilmfest at gmail.com <mailto:flamingofilmfest at gmail.com> | Web <http://www.flamingofilmfest.com/> | FB <https://www.facebook.com/FlamingoFilmFest/> | Tweets <https://twitter.com/FlamingoFF> | The Gram <https://www.instagram.com/flamingofilmfest/>
>
> FFF Sponsorship + Support
> Florida Atlantic University, Florida Atlantic University Dorothy F. Schmidt College of Arts & Letters, Florida Atlantic University School of Communication & Multimedia Studies,
> Florida Atlantic University Peace, Justice & Human Rights, Florida Atlantic University Academic Service-Learning, FilmFreeway, Black Iron Films, ArtServe and private donors.
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> FFF Postcard Design
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