[Frameworks] critiques?

Thu Jan 28 17:49:31 CST 2021

Thanks John and Chris for these suggestions! Yes, I'm sure it's easier when
you can pop out for a beer to keep talking.... I would agree that eliciting
helpful language is the real challenge, and a skill that may or may not be
available to all.

Mary, the idea of a remote critique series sounds potentially valuable! If
anyone is interested I guess get in touch off-list?

Cheers,
Michael

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:18 PM mary billyou <mbillyou at gmail.com> wrote:

> If anyone is interested in participating a critique series I'd be up for
> facilitating!
>
> Mary
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 11:45 PM Chris Freeman <
> christopherbriggsfreeman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Go to grad school lulz :)
>>
>> But seriously getting good substantial critique outside of an academic
>> environment is tough.
>>
>> I've known people that have set up critique groups to get together and
>> view work in progress.  That can be helpful and a good community-building
>> project.  It's all going to depend on what those people bring though - how
>> deep can they go with the language or art or filmmaking?  There's a bit of
>> a skill involved in critiquing and giving useful feedback that not everyone
>> is going to have.  That "rad, dude" person may have much deeper thoughts
>> about your work but may never have been taught how to put them into words.
>>
>> I used to run a sort of "open mic" experimental night at a local art
>> house theater.  People brought their short films on a thumb drive before
>> the screening, we loaded them up and watched them, then had Q&A afterwards
>> - and continued it across the street at the bar afterwards.  I don't
>> remember it going super deep, but again something like that can be a
>> community builder and a start to finding the people whose opinions you
>> trust.  Something like that is not possible right now, but if you are the
>> type who might be interested in programming community events, that could be
>> an opportunity after covid.  Or start it now with a virtual thing.
>>
>> Also you could try to set up studio visits / work in progress screenings
>> with filmmakers in your community, film professors, any locals that run
>> screenings or film festivals.  You never know who might take you up on it.
>> Again, find the people who you think will give useful feedback.  Or try it
>> virtually so you aren't tied to just locals.  Look at the program from any
>> past screenings or film festivals you might have been in and hit up the
>> other filmmakers that were screened - "Hey we were in that film festival
>> together, I really liked your work, would you mind taking a look at my
>> upcoming film?"  It'll be hit or miss if it's cold calling, but try for the
>> people you talked to at any past events.
>>
>> Or sometimes there are residencies or short-term things run by arts
>> organizations you can apply for that are like an academic environment, but
>> without all the student loan debt.
>>
>> Take a class if there are any local institutions that do film or media,
>> maybe continuing ed / community ed classes at a college, or at local arts
>> organizations.  Or maybe there are some available online these days.
>>
>> Also have some questions for people you are showing the work to.  Are you
>> trying to get a sense of how the pacing is working?  How natural the dialog
>> sounds?  How the glitch effects reinforce the theme?  The more specific,
>> open-ended questions you can come up with, the more conversation you'll
>> spark.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:56 PM John Muse <jmuse at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Michael.  I’ve found crits (even with friends!) to be most useful
>>> when a., folks are in a room (or Zoom) together and can really talk through
>>> their experience with you; b., you prepare a few questions in advance,
>>> which can be thematic or technical, about the topic or the formal issues or
>>> their entanglement; c., you can offer different cuts (of a few sequences,
>>> of approaches to sound design, of color correction) for comparison; d.,
>>> there are snacks!
>>>
>>> It can be hard to explain the idea of a “rough cut” or “work in
>>> progress” or “temp music” or “temp titles” to people who aren’t makers and
>>> steeped in the lore, but you can frame things and focus everyone’s
>>> attention on the things that really matter to you.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> j
>>>
>>> > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Michael Campos-Quinn <
>>> michaelcamposquinn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I'm curious to hear what anyone would suggest for getting critical
>>> feedback on works in progress beyond sharing with friends. There are so
>>> many different aesthetic interests and even politics so there's no single
>>> answer, but I've found myself looking for something between "rad, dude" and
>>> crickets.
>>> >
>>> > Any suggestions would be super appreciated!
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes to you all,
>>> > Michael Campos-Quinn
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