[Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation

Albert Alcoz albertalcoz at gmail.com
Wed Nov 10 07:17:27 CST 2021 

The other day I was going to write the name of Jordan Belson and the film
*Demon Seed* but then I erased it.

Looks like it is another topic: avant-garde filmmakers working for the big
budget film industry.

Larry Cuba and *Star Wars* would also be on that other list.


On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:01 PM scratch utopia <scratch.utopia at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Jordan Belson created effects for Donald Cammell's *Demon Seed *(1977)
> Not exactly low budget but could certainly be described as exploitation.
>
> Yoko Ono appeared in Michael Findlay's *Satan's Bed *(1965)
>
> For more info on that unlikely collaboration see Joan Hawkins' *Cutting
> Edge: Art Horror and the Horrific Avant-garde, *University of Minnesota
> Press.
>
> Sounds like an interesting project/ line of inquiry.
>
> Guy
>
>
>
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>> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 14:34:56 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested in talking to you about this.
>>
>>
>>
>> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's Wilderness
>> Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the field.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Bill Basquin
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matt Shaw <mshaw410 at protonmail.com>, Experimental Film Discussion
>> List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism
>>
>>
>> Dear Folks,
>>
>> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of
>> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers
>> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their
>> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world.
>>
>> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be helpful.
>> The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by artists
>> working in most mediums.
>>
>> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage point,
>> looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from tje
>> artists themselves.
>>
>> thank you always,
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 15:25:55 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism
>> I second that opinion on Robert's methods.
>>
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>> -------- Mensaje original --------
>> On 9 de noviembre de 2021 9:34 a. m., William Basquin <
>> billbasquin at earthlink.net> escribió:
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested in talking to you about this.
>>
>>
>>
>> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's Wilderness
>> Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the field.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Bill Basquin
>>
>> www.BillBasquin.info
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matt Shaw <mshaw410 at protonmail.com>, Experimental Film Discussion
>> List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism
>>
>>
>> Dear Folks,
>>
>> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of
>> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers
>> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their
>> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world.
>>
>> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be helpful.
>> The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by artists
>> working in most mediums.
>>
>> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage point,
>> looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from tje
>> artists themselves.
>>
>> thank you always,
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:30:03 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation
>> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a list.
>> Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of David
>> E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los
>> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor
>> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman
>> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the
>> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found
>> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful
>> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the
>> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am
>> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA
>>
>> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B
>> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s:
>>
>> *Pat O'Neil *
>>
>> *Curtis Harrington*
>>
>> *Nathaniel Dorsky*
>>
>> *Morgan Fisher*
>>
>> *Jerry Abrams*
>>
>> *Peggy Ahwesh*
>>
>> *Jerome Hiler*
>>
>> *Betzy Bromberg*
>>
>> *Hy Hirsh*
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <couroux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in
>>> Standard Gauge.
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <steve.polta at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Off the top of my head:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was
>>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending
>>>> on whom you ask.
>>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973)
>>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well).
>>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams
>>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't
>>>> recall the title.
>>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't
>>>> know the titles.
>>>>
>>>> There are surely lots more…
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <ashburn.jared at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also
>>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s and
>>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jared
>>>>> --
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>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
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>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:40:03 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation
>> One more: Carl Linder
>>
>>
>> 9 nov. 2021 kl. 18:31 skrev jared ashburn <ashburn.jared at gmail.com>:
>>
>> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a list.
>> Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of David
>> E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los
>> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor
>> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman
>> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the
>> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found
>> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful
>> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the
>> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am
>> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA
>>
>> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B
>> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s:
>>
>> *Pat O'Neil *
>>
>> *Curtis Harrington*
>>
>> *Nathaniel Dorsky*
>>
>> *Morgan Fisher*
>>
>> *Jerry Abrams*
>>
>> *Peggy Ahwesh*
>>
>> *Jerome Hiler*
>>
>> *Betzy Bromberg*
>>
>> *Hy Hirsh*
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <couroux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in
>>> Standard Gauge.
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <steve.polta at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Off the top of my head:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was
>>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending
>>>> on whom you ask.
>>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973)
>>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well).
>>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams
>>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't
>>>> recall the title.
>>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't
>>>> know the titles.
>>>>
>>>> There are surely lots more…
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <ashburn.jared at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also
>>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s and
>>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jared
>>>>> --
>>>>> Frameworks mailing list
>>>>> Frameworks at film-gallery.org
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>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/>
>>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/>
>>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/>
>>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186>
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>> From: Quentin Darcq <quentindarcq at gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:47:50 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism
>> Some resources:
>>
>>
>> https://www-filmlabs-org.translate.goog/wiki/fr/ashes_plants_principles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=nui
>>
>> https://www.filmlabs.org/wiki/fr/ashes_plants_principles
>>
>> http://www.handmadefilm.org/writings/emulsionThoughts.html
>>
>>
>> https://www.filmlabs.org/docs/J-Etudes-Rennes/04-Noelie_Martin_Emulsions_artisanales_et_ecofeminisme.mp3
>> (in French)
>>
>> -- Quentin Darcq
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:37 PM William Basquin <billbasquin at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm interested in talking to you about this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's
>>> Wilderness Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the
>>> field.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Bill Basquin
>>>
>>> www.BillBasquin.info
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Matt Shaw <mshaw410 at protonmail.com>, Experimental Film Discussion
>>> List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>>> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Folks,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of
>>> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers
>>> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their
>>> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world.
>>>
>>> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be
>>> helpful. The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by
>>> artists working in most mediums.
>>>
>>> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage
>>> point, looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from
>>> tje artists themselves.
>>>
>>> thank you always,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Frameworks mailing list
>>> Frameworks at film-gallery.org
>>>
>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: jared ashburn <ashburn.jared at gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:58:19 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation
>> Excellent! Thank you, John. -JA
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 11:41 AM John Sundholm <john.sundholm at ims.su.se>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One more: Carl Linder
>>>
>>>
>>> 9 nov. 2021 kl. 18:31 skrev jared ashburn <ashburn.jared at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a
>>> list. Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of
>>> David E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los
>>> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor
>>> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman
>>> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the
>>> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found
>>> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful
>>> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the
>>> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am
>>> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA
>>>
>>> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B
>>> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s:
>>>
>>> *Pat O'Neil *
>>>
>>> *Curtis Harrington*
>>>
>>> *Nathaniel Dorsky*
>>>
>>> *Morgan Fisher*
>>>
>>> *Jerry Abrams*
>>>
>>> *Peggy Ahwesh*
>>>
>>> *Jerome Hiler*
>>>
>>> *Betzy Bromberg*
>>>
>>> *Hy Hirsh*
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <couroux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in
>>>> Standard Gauge.
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <steve.polta at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Off the top of my head:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was
>>>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending
>>>>> on whom you ask.
>>>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973)
>>>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well).
>>>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams
>>>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't
>>>>> recall the title.
>>>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't
>>>>> know the titles.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are surely lots more…
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <ashburn.jared at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also
>>>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s and
>>>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Jared
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Frameworks mailing list
>>>>>> Frameworks at film-gallery.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Frameworks mailing list
>>>>> Frameworks at film-gallery.org
>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> @xenopraxis <https://twitter.com/xenopraxis>
>>>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/>
>>>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/>
>>>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/>
>>>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Esther Laurent-Baroux <estherlaurent-baroux at hotmail.fr>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:58:41 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] virages
>> Hi Pip,
>>
>> I come back to you concerning virages.
>>
>> Do you know where I can find informations about it, like some people who
>> show how to process it, or videos where you can see the result ?
>>
>> I searched on filmlabs.org but could'nt find anything.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Esther.
>>
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>> *Envoyé :* vendredi 5 novembre 2021 04:55
>> *À :* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at film-gallery.org>
>> *Objet :* Re: [Frameworks] virages
>>
>> Colorvir was great but it has been discontinued. You can now get Berg
>> toners:
>> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=berg%20toner
>>
>> - Pip Chodorov
>>
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2021, at 2:16 AM, Esther Laurent-Baroux <
>> estherlaurent-baroux at hotmail.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was wondering where I can find some infos about virages for s8mm or
>> 16mm.
>>
>>
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