[Frameworks] Peertube for experimental filmmaking?

[Florian Cramer]

Hello Pip, Quentin,

Criticalcommons seems to be a scholarly site for film analysis that
provides commented (commercial) film snippets based on fair use
regulations. Odyssee.com seems to be a somewhat questionable startup that
sells its video hosting service as being blockchain-based although the
actually streaming is done through Bittorrent.

Regarding the use of copyrighted films on Peertube, since it's a decentral
network, moderation policies are up to the individual server/instance. It
is entirely possible to run a Peertube instance that (a) honors copyright
and (b) is focused on experimental film and video work.

Maybe the third option would be to upload videos on archive.org . It has a
working video hosting infrastructure, is a non-profit and involves people
like Rick Prelinger. However, as a single organization and single provider,
it's potentially also a single point of failure.

-F



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On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 4:44 PM Quentin Darcq <quentindarcq at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Florian, Pip and everyone
>
> Do you think Criticalcommons.org or https://odysee.com/ might be good
> alternative ? Maybe the first one, Criticalcommons ?
>
> Quentin
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 3:59 PM Pip Chodorov <pip at re-voir.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Florian,
>>
>> I do not have any experience with Peertube except that it is where I
>> found hosted a wealth of pirated content by experimental filmmakers whom I
>> distribute, culled from our DVD editions and others. It was quite difficult
>> to remove (because anyone can post anything there). At least when we find
>> pirated content on YouTube, we can flag it and it is removed immediately.
>> It is a sad game of whack-a-mole that has to played regularly in order to
>> protect author’s rights (though I have nothing against those filmmakers who
>> feel flattered to be pirated, it is difficult to sell their DVDs in that
>> case).
>>
>> I am sensitive to your concerns about Vimeo, though practically it is
>> still a good technical solution for hosting videos.
>>
>> The mobile app I developed for Re:Voir last year (“Re:Voir Online”) is a
>> platform for us to allow people to see the films we distribute in the case
>> that they have no DVD player, or live in a place where it is hard to find
>> DVDs, and do not mind watching films on their phone or tablet. It does a
>> service for those viewers as well as for the filmmakers wishing their films
>> to be seen more widely. It is also possible for us to host films that we
>> have not published on DVD, and there are currently quite a few films on the
>> app that are not available on other media. Sometimes we want to distribute
>> films for which a DVD edition would not be justified. Of course this is a
>> proprietary app that requires a distribution agreement with Re:Voir, but
>> for some this could be a useful solution. I imagined opening part of it up
>> to create what could be called an “internet filmmakers’ cooperative” but
>> this will have to wait until there are enough subscribers for the app to be
>> economically self-sufficient. All this to say: you are welcome to submit
>> your films to us for distribution if you want your films online to be
>> monetized.
>>
>> Since I founded FrameWorks, I have been interested in online solutions
>> for filmmakers to connect and share their work, but I do not believe there
>> is an open source initiative for experimental films. It could have been
>> Ubu, except that they were also pirating our content. Let us know if you
>> find anything!
>>
>> Pip Chodorov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 20, 2022, at 11:27 PM, Florian Cramer <flrncrmr at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Do other people here have experiences with Peertube and can recommend
>> friendly servers/'instances'? Or are there even Peertube instances run by
>> people from the Frameworks community?
>> >
>>
>>
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