[Frameworks] neg cutting

Mon Apr 24 00:37:16 CDT 2023

Sheesh, Anna!

I put “real” in quotes to signify “commercial labs” — not to denigrate artist-run labs, which are an important thing.  

I have been making films for over 55 years, and that has given me the disadvantage of leaving my head clogged with a lot of useful and useless knowledge of how things were done back in the day.  Sometimes I offer advice when I’m not asked for it — and it’s fine with me when people tell me to shut up, grandpa. (Not an actual grandpa.)  I would have responded the same way back then to unwanted advice. But I do remember getting yelled at by some dolt at DuArt for having tape splices in rolls of reversal original sent in for workprinting, which despite the kvetching caused no problems.

I spend a lot of time answering questions from and helping out young filmmakers working with older technologies — or building scanners — so forgive me if I misunderstood your initial question and butted in with an unwelcome answer.  There are people who want to talk about crossmod tests or sensitometers or latensification or strange old cameras or spring-wind tape recorders and they eventually stumble across me.  So I’m used to providing obscure technical information.  But this is the wrong list for that.

I’ll shut up now.

Jeff Kreines
Coosada, Alabama

PS: Sometime soon I probably will be letting go of a lot of lab equipment —  optical printer parts (35 and 16 Oxberry and Acme/Producer’s Service), a couple of 16mm B&H printers, a couple of Jamieson B&W processing machines, and more.  They probably will end up at an artist-run lab or with filmmakers who will use them.  Not happening yet.

> On Apr 23, 2023, at 8:16 PM, Tara Nelson <brendamerenda at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for speaking up when you felt like you were being talked down to, Anna. I had the same feeling about the responses to your initial message and I am sorry I didn't speak up sooner.
> You clearly know what you are doing and don't deserve any form of condescension. You can cut my negatives with tape splices any day.
> 
> Tara Merenda Nelson
> Rochester NY
> 
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 12:43 PM Anna Kipervaser <anna.kipervaser at gmail.com <mailto:anna.kipervaser at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Els, I understand you're looking to own a s8 gate for the JK, but would it be helpful to borrow one for a while or is that not of interest? I ask because I might be able to help facilitate a lending (from the US). And I'm sorry I don't know what the lens extension situation is or what it's used for. Would love to learn! I've got a K103 and have bellows on the JK. I feel like I've seen JKs with both the extension in your pic and bellows, and have assumptions on why, but would love to learn specifics. Please tell.
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>> Also, is Mariette Michaud cutting negatives for most folks in Belgium, or are most doing their own neg cutting? I'm so interested in this question especially when there's a magician like Mariette Michaud around. 
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>> Jeff, I'm sorry.... but again, not asking for any advice or explanations re neg cutting, tape splicing vs cement, etc... Perhaps it's unintentional, but your messages read like you're talking down to people, to me and others [Scott's initial message read that way too]. Not cool. You already said you haven't done this in ages and that you've gone digital so maybe you don't know what's actually happening these days regarding this topic.
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>> And I dunno why you're putting real in quotes. As if LABO BxL or Mono No Aware or nanolab aren't real [to name a few from diff continents]!? Are they figments of our imagination?! As a point of fact: both artist run and commercial labs are putting tape splices thru their ultrasonic cleaning machines and their contact printers - both wet and dry gate.
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>> ***NOTICE: no one is asking if tape splicing is possible or ok to use for neg cutting. No one. Not a single person in the whole wide world***
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>> 
>> Thank you for reading my PSA, now we return to our regularly scheduled programming. Peace and fucking love y'all, peace and love. 
>> 
>> Disclaimer: I am not pissed. I know where I posted my initial inquiry. I just insist on clarity of communication and on speaking up if something ain't feeling right.
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>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 4:31 AM Els van Riel <mail at elsvanriel.be <mailto:mail at elsvanriel.be>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Here in Belgium we had Huguette Van Volsem who worked as a fulltime neg-cutter for our Belgian film-en TV industry. A few years ago Mariette Michaud bought part of her equipement and uses it from time to time. Her splices ar invisible.
>>> 
>>> By the way, reading about the JK optical printer, in artist run LABO BxL we are still on the look out for its super-8 gate and lens-extension for our JK107. See picture.
>>> If anyone could give me a lead? We have a budget for it.
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much!
>>> 
>>> Els van Riel
>>> Brussels/Belgium
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 Apr 2023, at 08:57, Jeff Kreines <jeff at kinetta.com <mailto:jeff at kinetta.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tape splices are fine for a JK.  You can even cut the neg with handles and skip the splices when printing.
>>> 
>>> However, if you are going to a “real” lab, they won’t like tape splices because they can’t use an ultrasonic cleaner.  (They can, but the splices eventually come off.)
>>> 
>>> Jeff Kreines
>>> Kinetta
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