[Frameworks] advice on working with 3383

[Sarah Bliss]

Kind thanks Ryder.  

All very helpful, and great to see the test strips!

with appreciation, 

Sarah
http://www.SarahBlissArt.com






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>   1. Re: advice on working with 3383 (Ryder White)
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> From: Ryder White <ryder.white at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] advice on working with 3383
> Date: November 12, 2023 at 12:30:17 AM EST
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> hi Sarah,
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> i’ve enjoyed shooting 3383 as a camera stock and processing as reversal in the past - there are probably others here with a lot more valuable experience than i have since i haven’t been doing much hand processing for the past few years, but i’m glad to pitch in what basic knowledge i do have. i also found this page in my notebook (from 3.5 years ago, yikes):
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> so like most print stocks, 3383 doesn’t have a factory rated ASA. i shot it at approximately 3 ASA outdoors with an 85 filter. i wish i could better remember my thought process behind that choice but it seemed to work out okay from the test samples i found. iirc, the film is expecting to see artificial light from a contact printer, so shooting in daylight without a filter yields a very blue, flat image. anyway, trying to figure out exposures at this level of sensitivity is kind of a roll of the dice…but print stocks seem to tolerate overexposure pretty well so just bomb it with as much light as you can. 
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> chemistry…yes E6 works. i used a similar kit made by tetanal. i think you’ll probably want to buy the gallon kit, if the arista kit is like the tetanal one, the indicated volume is the final mixed volume per solution, i.e. the quart kit makes a quart of working solution of each of the first developer, colour developer, and blix. be mindful that colour chemistry is a fair bit more harmful/sensitizing compared to b/w chemistry, so i strongly recommend good PPE and ventilation - and use extra caution with dried chemical spills or drips. please forgive me if that’s already something you’re aware of! e6 is also very unforgiving with regards to temperature variation. i was fortunate enough to have use of a tempering bath, but just as long as you make sure your solutions are right on temp right before you pour them in, it should be okay. you can always hold the film in a water wash before moving to your next stage if you need to warm something up or cool it down. 
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> remjet - correct, no remjet removal needed. however, the stock incorporates some dyes in the antihalation layer that are removed in process, so wash with warm water very thoroughly before you begin until it comes out clear (it will start purple). the first time i processed it this way i didn’t know that, so i threw it straight in the first developer and turned my FD dark purple. 
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> i was trying to remember more about this whole process and came back across kodak’s data sheet for 3383, which you may find interesting: 
> https://www.kodak.com/content/products-brochures/Film/VISION3_5219_7219_Technical-data.pdf 
> also worth mentioning that 3383 is an estar-base stock, so it’s good to keep a scissors on you in case you end up needing to cut it because you won’t be able to break it with your fingers. 
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> hope that works! have fun -
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> ryder
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> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:14 Sarah Bliss <bliss at sarahblissart.com <mailto:bliss at sarahblissart.com>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
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>> I’d like to try shooting and hand developing 3383, which I’ve not used before and am seeking advice and tips on shooting and developing.
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>> What ASA is it rated?  
>> Do you use a filter of any kind?  
>> I’ve been advised to use an E6 kit to develop. Yes?  What size kit should I purchase to develop a couple of rolls? Would I need 4 of these quart sized kits, (to make a gallon), or do the solutions get mixed with water to total a gallon?
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>> I’m assuming that 3383 doesn’t have remjet, so no need for extra steps to remove that.  Is that correct?
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>> Any other thoughts/tips you might have are most welcome!
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>> thanks kindly, 
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>> Sarah
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