[Frameworks] Telecine question

[Steven Gladstone]

Hi Myron; so if it is a lab telecine (TK) here is my understanding.

If you are going to standard def, you really have two choices (not 
counting PAL).
A standard def tape at 29.97 which will include pull down. Most MODERN 
NLE ought to be able to remove the pulldown for you, and deliver you 
back to your original 24 fps. This may involve rendering and then making 
a 24 fps timeline. IF working in Standard def, you may have to bring it 
into an HD timeline and make adjustments there.

Or you can transfer it 1 to 1 which will speed up the film, because the 
film at 24 fos will be running at 30 (well really 29.97) so moving 
faster, but you will then have full frames and can adjust the timeline 
as above.

You may also be able to have what is known as an advanced pulldown, 
which makes it easier for the NLE (FCP,AVID, VEGAS, etc.) to remove the 
pull down.

This is if you are working in Standard def and going to TAPE. There 
really is no way around it. Standard def in the US is ONLY 29.97, so 
your film is run slightly slower, and the 24 FPS is expanded to 30 FPS 
(really 23.976 fps to 29.97) If you are going Standard def scan to 
FIlES, then see below.

I'd recommend going with a Hi Def or a 2K transfer if possible (or even 
standard def). You could go to tape at one of any flavors, but that is 
going to involve having a tape deck to ingest, and those babies can be 
in the $50,000 range to buy, and really expensive to rent. So I would 
recommend doing a file based transfer to a hard drive.

With a Hi-def or 2K scan, you can ALWAYS convert it to standard def in 
the NLE (in a modern NLE). Also Hi Def has as its specs 720P and 1080 
(Go for the 1080)  Progressive frames (no temporal disruption of the 
frames) and a variety of frame rates including 24/23.976. Ingesting this 
directly into the NLE, makes it easier to insure a 24fps playback. You 
can transfer at 24 and keep the clean 24 fps all through post, without 
dealing with audio pulldown (23.976 fps), or interlaced, and pulldown 
issues.

As always discuss your options with your EDITOR and your Transfer facility.

Best.



On 5/23/11 11:24 AM, Myron Ort wrote:
> If it is a lab telecine transfer, what then?
>
>
> On May 23, 2011, at 7:26 AM, David Tetzlaff wrote:
>
>> Assuming a DIY (not lab) job: telecine it to 24P, using a Pana
>> DVX100, or an HD camcorder (and drop back to SD in software if you
>> need to, cropping to 4:3)
>>
>>
>> On May 22, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Myron Ort wrote:
>>
>>> Standard definition,  Apple Pro Ress 422 HQ.
>>>
>>> If you telecine a film at 24fps, and then later remove the pull down
>>> in fcp, do you end up with a file which can still play at a 24fps
>>> rate but without the interlaced frames?  How does this work?
>>> What is a good approach for transferring 24fps films so that you end
>>> up eventually with something that avoids the compromised mess of
>>> noticeable interlaced frames?
>>>
>>> Myron Ort
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