[Frameworks] {Disarmed} Re: Andy Warhol's SLEEP / Providence, RI / Feb 18 / Magic Lantern + RK Projects

[Tony Conrad]

John Cale performed in the Vexations concert, among others of course, but that
was well before the VU, as I recall. However, Andy was in contact with La Monte
Young about sound for his films when they were shown at Lincoln Center. 

I can't accept the idea that Andy got the idea for repetition, or editing
together long films, from Satie. First, it's far more probable that he got the
idea from our group with La Monte; we even gave a concert at Henry Geldzahler's
place. Second, Andy generally used a magazine with 1200 foot reels so he wouldn't
have to splice or do any editing.

----------t0ny



On Sun 02/12/12  6:11 PM , Eric Theise erictheise at gmail.com sent:
> Hi Fred,
> 
> In "Edie" (Stein w/Plimpton, pp 234-235), George Plimpton
> recountsriding in a freight elevator with Warhol and mentioning the Carnegie
> Hall concert organized by Cage.
> 
> "I mentioned it to Andy only because I thought he might be vaguely
> interested--he was doing these eight-hour films of people sleeping.
> It never occurred to me that he knew of this concert, or of Satie,
> since it wouldn't have surprised me a bit if he'd never heard of
> Satie.  His reaction startled me.  He said, "Ohhh, ohhh, ohhh!" 
> I'dnever seen his face so animated.  It made a distinct impression.
> Between ohhh's he told me that he'd actually gone to the concert and
> sat through the whole thing.  He couldn't have been more delighted to
> be telling me about it."
> 
> My reading of the announcement is that the Vexations concert in
> Providence is 45 minutes long, and that it precedes the screening.
> 
> --Eric
> 
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Fred Camper  .com> wrote:> Quoting Damon  @gmail.com>:>
> >> While this presentation of Sleep certainly
> differs from the original>> Â screenings of the film, it is
> also far from a Youtube hommage.>> Vexations played an important role in
> Warhol's conception of the>> film, and he took from Satie a working
> method making possible the>> editing of his short reels into a lengthy
> film.>>
> >> Sorry I don't have time at the moment to
> unpack this point as I'm>> running out the door, but here is a link to
> some supporting>> literature to this position:
> >> http://www.warholstars.org/news/johncage.html
> >
> > Is there some aspect of the text on this link
> that actually supports> your claim that "Vexations"
> specifically influenced "Sleep"? It's not> even clear that Warhol ever heard
> "Vexations.">
> > But even if the answer is yes, that doesn't
> "support" playing one> during a sceening of the other. Would you have
> Pound's "Cantos"> recited during a screening of "Dog Star
> Man"? Excerpts from the> "Tibetan Book of the Dead" read during
> George Landow's "Bardo Follies"?>
> > Fred Camper
> > Chicago
> >
> >
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