[Frameworks] FrameWorks Digest, Vol 40, Issue 17
John Smith
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On 16 Sep 2013, at 13:01, frameworks-request at jonasmekasfilms.com wrote:
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> 1. 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
> (Sasha Waters Freyer)
> 2. Re: 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
> (jimjennings906)
> 3. Re: Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
> (kate lain)
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> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:26:03 -0400
> From: Sasha Waters Freyer <swfreyer at vcu.edu>
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
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> I was glad to see Bill Wees' response highlighting the tradition of
> experimental reframings of pornography. I myself have just completed "An
> Incomplete History of Pornography,1979" which uses a super 8mm porn film
> from the late '70s as its source for a weird, hairy essayistic exploration
> into the social and economic context of porn as it relates to Neo-liberal
> decline since the dawn of Reagan and Thatcher. It's p-word protected on
> vimeo, but what the hell? I'll list it here in case anyone is interested
> (also because I have my doubts about it getting programmed - it's kind of
> out there).
>
> https://vimeo.com/60856588
>
> password: Carter
>
>
> Sasha
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <frameworks-request at jonasmekasfilms.com>wrote:
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
>> (Adam Hyman)
>> 2. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Scott Dorsey)
>> 3. Re: Self Developing Mess (Scott Dorsey)
>> 4. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Jeff Kreines)
>> 5. Re: Self Developing Mess (Diana Arce)
>> 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
>> 7. NYC Film-Makers Cooperative Benefit THIS TUESDAY 17th!
>> (Katherine Bauer)
>> 8. Re: Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
>> (Echo Park Film Center)
>> 9. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Chris G)
>> 10. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Ryder White)
>> 11. A Tribute to Anne Charlotte Robertson (Tara Nelson)
>> 12. Re: experimental cartoon (jaime cleeland)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:57:35 -0700
>> Subject: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film
>> Center
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series
>> being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and
>> also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays. It’s on the
>> regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films. The
>> commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new
>> works and people.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter
>>
>> Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental
>> dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin
>> Zemel, Bryan Konefsky, John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
>> Worthy of looking at and feedback.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Adam
>> Los Angeles Filmforum
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:11:46 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels
>> Dunno, but there were as many different hub standards in the thirties
>> as there are today in the 35mm world.
>>
>> I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably the
>> best guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.
>> --scott
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:12:51 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
>> Wait... one more thought... you weren't using a rewind tank by any chance,
>> were you?
>> --scott
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jeff Kreines <jeff at kinetta.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:16:55 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably the
>> best guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.
>>
>>
>> Agreed. Nice guy, too.
>>
>> Jeff Kreines
>> Kinetta
>> jeff at kinetta.com
>> kinetta.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Diana Arce <darce at visualosmosis.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:24:02 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
>> Thanks everyone so much for all the advice, I really appreciate it. The
>> film was stored in a cool, dry space, but it was also a bit old. I will
>> definitely make sure to keep the temperatures real low if I end up doing an
>> older roll again! Also, I developed in a lomotank, so no reminds.
>>
>> Diana
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "William Wees, Dr." <william.wees at mcgill.ca>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:52:51 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
>>
>> Nicky’s comment implies disapproval of an experimental film discussion
>> group providing a link to a film composed of recycled and digitally
>> manipulated pornography. (I don’t know if it also implies a disapproval of
>> pornography in general, but that’s not the issue here.)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It’s worth remembering that within the tradition of
>> experimental/avant-garde found-footage films and videos there is a small
>> but persistent sub-genre of works composed in part or entirely of recycled
>> porn, and in many cases, but certainly not all, the images are subjected to
>> various forms of visual manipulation. A few–among many possible–examples:
>> Frédéric Charpentier, “The Dog Star Man Has a Too Big Cock for the Sheba
>> Queen” (I’ll bet not many people in North America have seen that one),
>> Peggy Ahwesh, “The Color of Love,” Luther Price, “Sodom,” Ken Jacobs
>> “XCXHXEXRXRXIXEXSX,” Scott Stark, “Noema,” Bruce Elder, “Crack, Brutal,
>> Grief.” And then there’s my favourite–though its source would have to fall
>> in the “soft porn/girlie movie” category: Bruce Conner’s “Marilyn x Five.”
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Knowledgeable Frameworkers will note that none of the films I’ve listed
>> were made later than 2000, which is due to my failure to “keep up” as
>> films, videos, and on-line sites for experimental/avant-garde works have
>> proliferated in the new century. But I’ve no doubt that many more examples
>> of recycled pornography have appeared in one form or another during the
>> last 13 years.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My point is that it is appropriate for Frameworks to provide a “portal”
>> for works with pornographic content.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> And in closing, a quote from Paul Arthur’s “A Line of Sight”: “For a
>> number of filmmakers...the appropriation and reworking of actual
>> pornography, or the restaging of its typical mise-en-scene, is a signpost
>> for an erotics of ‘different desiring’ as well as a jab of cultural
>> resistance in a reactionary sexual climate.” ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> –Bill Wees****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *nicky.hamlyn at talktalk.net
>> *Sent:* September 11, 2013 7:58 AM
>> *To:* FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Since when did Frameworks become a porno portal?
>>
>> Nicky.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaime cleeland <ethnomite at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 9:08
>> Subject: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon****
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/FeralBoyMoreHomemadeXXXartoonsWithTits1****
>>
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Katherine Bauer <kittylitterxox at gmail.com>
>> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:12:25 -0400
>> Subject: [Frameworks] NYC Film-Makers Cooperative Benefit THIS TUESDAY
>> 17th!
>>
>> THIS TUESDAY IN NYC!
>> Discount tickets designed by Bradley Eros available for $25 in advance.
>> Contact me or the FMC directly.
>> FYI: I am performing with some great cats in Optipus! Hope to see you
>> there!!
>> xox
>> Kitty
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> --
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>> Corynn Loebs, Assistant to the Director
>> Linda Fenstermaker, Archivist and Film Programmer
>> NACG/The Film-Makers' Cooperative
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>> New York, NY 10016
>> www.film-makerscoop.com
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>>
>> www.KatherineAnneBauer.com
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>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Echo Park Film Center <info at echoparkfilmcenter.org>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:05:38 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park
>> Film Center
>> Thanks, Adam! Thanks, Kate! Sometimes we get so busy at the Film Center,
>> we forget to toot our own horn...
>>
>> Check out Marvelous Movie Mondays, Frameworkers, and let us know if you'd
>> like to guest curate… It really is marvelous!
>>
>> Lisa Marr
>> Echo Park Film Center
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series
>> being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and
>> also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays. It’s on the
>> regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films. The
>> commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new
>> works and people.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter
>>
>> Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental
>> dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin
>> Zemel, Bryan Konefsky, John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
>> Worthy of looking at and feedback.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Adam
>> Los Angeles Filmforum
>> _______________________________________________
>> FrameWorks mailing list
>> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Chris G <spydir at gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:09:34 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
>> If you're in NYC you can purchase it directly from Kodak at their office
>> inside of Panavision (go in, fill out a form, pay and get it in 20-30
>> minutes).
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 14:30, Stefan Grabowski <stefan at radonlake.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sophie,
>>
>> If you'll be in New York , you can buy 100' rolls of 16mm film from B&H<http://www.bhphotovideo.com/>.
>> Hunt's Photo <http://huntsphoto.com/> in Boston also stocks 16mm. Or you
>> could purchase directly from Kodak if you can wait for them to ship it.
>>
>> For prints - FotoKem <http://fotokem.com/services/film_laboratory.php>supposedly does good work though I haven't had much experience with them.
>> If you have time to send it to the East Coast, I highly recommend sending
>> to Colorlab <http://www.colorlab.com/> in Maryland.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:53:49 +0100
>>> From: mail at sophielascelles.co.uk
>>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I will be touring the US for 2 months, can anyone tell me how much it
>>> costs to buy, develop and print a roll of 100 ft 16mm negative film? How
>>> do prices compare to the UK? Also where do I buy film on the east coast
>>> and where do I dev + print in LA?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Sophie
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> FrameWorks mailing list
>>> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ryder White <ryder.white at gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 20:44:57 -0300
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
>> If you have an address you'll be staying at on the east coast, you could
>> always order ahead from kodak so your film is there when you arrive (this
>> has helped us out a lot as we travel). I don't have any experience with LA
>> labs but Alphacine (http://www.alphacine.com) in Seattle does high
>> quality work if you can handle the shipping.
>>
>> RW
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Chris G <spydir at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're in NYC you can purchase it directly from Kodak at their office
>>> inside of Panavision (go in, fill out a form, pay and get it in 20-30
>>> minutes).
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 14:30, Stefan Grabowski <stefan at radonlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sophie,
>>>
>>> If you'll be in New York , you can buy 100' rolls of 16mm film from B&H<http://www.bhphotovideo.com/>.
>>> Hunt's Photo <http://huntsphoto.com/> in Boston also stocks 16mm. Or you
>>> could purchase directly from Kodak if you can wait for them to ship it.
>>>
>>> For prints - FotoKem <http://fotokem.com/services/film_laboratory.php>supposedly does good work though I haven't had much experience with them.
>>> If you have time to send it to the East Coast, I highly recommend sending
>>> to Colorlab <http://www.colorlab.com/> in Maryland.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:53:49 +0100
>>>> From: mail at sophielascelles.co.uk
>>>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>> Subject: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I will be touring the US for 2 months, can anyone tell me how much it
>>>> costs to buy, develop and print a roll of 100 ft 16mm negative film?
>>> How
>>>> do prices compare to the UK? Also where do I buy film on the east coast
>>>> and where do I dev + print in LA?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Sophie
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> FrameWorks mailing list
>>>> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> FrameWorks mailing list
>>> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Tara Nelson <brendamerenda at gmail.com>
>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:48:29 -0400
>> Subject: [Frameworks] A Tribute to Anne Charlotte Robertson
>> *PRESS RELEASE
>>
>> THE HARVARD FILM ARCHIVE PRESENTS
>>
>> **I WANTED TO SEE HOW I LIVED, I WANTED TO LOVE MYSELF AND MY PAST.*
>> *A TRIBUTE TO ANNE CHARLOTTE ROBERTSON** September 15 – 16, 2013*
>>
>> CAMBRIDGE, MA: The Harvard Film Archive is pleased to present *I WANTED
>> TO SEE HOW I LIVED, I WANTED TO LOVE MYSELF AND MY PAST. **A TRIBUTE TO
>> ANNE CHARLOTTE ROBERTSON* September 15 – 16, 2013**
>> ** **
>> *About the filmmaker:*
>> Influenced by filmmakers as diverse as Ed Pincus and Carolee Schneemann,
>> Anne Charlotte Robertson (1949 – 2012) was a Boston area Super 8 filmmaker
>> who examined and shared her life through her work – a mix of essay,
>> performance and stop-motion animation. Anne completed her graduate degree
>> at Massachusetts College of Art in the 1980s – honing her filmmaking skills
>> under the tutelage of Saul Levine. Diagnosed with various and changing
>> mental disorders, Anne faced several breakdowns and mental hospitals –
>> experiences she documented and exorcised thoroughly through her films –
>> particularly within the annals of *Five Year Diary* (1981-1997), a
>> project spanning nearly two decades.****
>> ****
>> Though relentlessly intense and emotional, her films are not entirely
>> bleak, for her bracing self-awareness and humor energize and bring a rare
>> effulgence to the depths of her darkest moments. Anne boldly exposed her
>> most intimate and obsessive inner dialogues – from illness, breakdowns and
>> longing for love to diets, cats and the minutia of existence. She also
>> considered the filmmaking experience therapeutic and cited the process as
>> helping cure her depression.****
>> ****
>> Anne died of cancer September 15, 2012 leaving behind an archive of a life
>> passionately examined, primarily through the rough warmth of Super 8. Most
>> of her work was created on Super 8 sound film featuring a soundtrack on the
>> film, with additional audio on cassette and narrated live by Anne, creating
>> many layers of sound and story. The original materials have been digitally
>> transferred and are presented here on DigiBeta.****
>> ****
>> The Harvard Film Archive, home to the Anne Charlotte Robertson Collection,
>> is honored to pay tribute, over the course of two evenings, to the vivid
>> insights and imagination of a pioneer of experimental first-person cinema.
>> *– Liz Coffey, HFA Film Conservator*
>> ** **
>> *Special thanks: Toni Treadway and Saul Levine*
>> ** **
>> *Film schedule:*
>> ****
>> Sunday September 15 at 7pm****
>> *Apologies*
>> *I apologize for everything; another exercise in self-therapy. –* Anne
>> Charlotte Robertson****
>> US 1986, digital video, color, 17 min****
>> ****
>> *Talking to Myself*
>> *Double-exposed self faces self, wrangling, complaining, trying to hear
>> oneself think.* – ACR****
>> US 1985, digital video, color, 3 min****
>> ****
>> *Locomotion*
>> *Overdoses, breakdown, and rage at system in a stylized mental hospital
>> isolation room.* – ACR****
>> US 1981, digital video, color, 7 min****
>> ****
>> *Five Year Diary, Reel 22: A Short Affair and Going Crazy*
>> US 1982, digital video, color, 27 min****
>> ** **
>> *Five Year Diary, Reel 23: A Breakdown and After the Mental Hospital*
>> US 1928, digital video, color, 27 min****
>> ****
>> TRT = 81 minutes****
>> http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa/films/2013julsep/robertson.html#one****
>> ** **
>> ****
>> Monday September 16 at 7pm****
>> *Subways*
>> *Lightshow in public transit tunnels, patterns and flashes, screeching
>> and bells.* – ACR****
>> US 1976, digital video, color, 13 min****
>> ****
>> *Going to Work*
>> *Daily morning trudge and trolley through snow and ice; pigeons, other
>> winter beauties.* – ACR****
>> US 1981, digital video, color, 7 min****
>> ****
>> *My Cat My Garden and 9/11*
>> *My adored cat Zouina died a week before the tragedy; a week after, my
>> garden died.* – ACR****
>> US 2001, digital video, color, 6 min****
>> ****
>> *Five Year Diary, Reel 80 – Emily Died (second edit)*
>> US 1994, digital video, color, 27 min****
>> ** **
>> *Five Year Diary, Reel 81 – Mourning Emily*
>> US 1995, digital video, color, 27 min****
>> ****
>> TRT: 80 min****
>> http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa/films/2013julsep/robertson.html#two****
>> ** **
>> ** **
>> This press release and photos are available for download on the press page
>> of the Harvard Film Archive’s website:
>> http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa/general_info.html#press. The user name and
>> password are hfapress. Please contact bgravely at fas.harvard.edu for
>> additional photos, screeners or more information.****
>> ** **
>> Harvard Film Archive
>> 24 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
>> (617) 495-4700
>> http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa
>> General Admission Tickets $9, $7 Non-Harvard Students, Seniors, Harvard
>> Faculty and Staff. Harvard students free****
>> Special event tickets (for in-person appearances) are $12.
>> Tickets go on sale 45 minutes prior to show time. The HFA does not do
>> advance ticket sales.****
>> ** **
>> Press Contact:****
>> Brittany Gravely****
>> Publicist****
>> Harvard Film Archive****
>> 24 Quincy Street****
>> Cambridge, MA 02138****
>> 617-496-3211****
>> bgravely at fas.harvard.edu
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: jaime cleeland <ethnomite at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:02:26 +0100 (BST)
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
>> Thank you Bill Wees
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* "William Wees, Dr." <william.wees at mcgill.ca>
>> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 15 September 2013, 2:52
>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
>>
>> Nicky’s comment implies disapproval of an experimental film discussion
>> group providing a link to a film composed of recycled and digitally
>> manipulated pornography. (I don’t know if it also implies a disapproval of
>> pornography in general, but that’s not the issue here.)
>>
>> It’s worth remembering that within the tradition of
>> experimental/avant-garde found-footage films and videos there is a small
>> but persistent sub-genre of works composed in part or entirely of recycled
>> porn, and in many cases, but certainly not all, the images are subjected to
>> various forms of visual manipulation. A few–among many possible–examples:
>> Frédéric Charpentier, “The Dog Star Man Has a Too Big Cock for the Sheba
>> Queen” (I’ll bet not many people in North America have seen that one),
>> Peggy Ahwesh, “The Color of Love,” Luther Price, “Sodom,” Ken Jacobs
>> “XCXHXEXRXRXIXEXSX,” Scott Stark, “Noema,” Bruce Elder, “Crack, Brutal,
>> Grief.” And then there’s my favourite–though its source would have to fall
>> in the “soft porn/girlie movie” category: Bruce Conner’s “Marilyn x Five.”
>>
>> Knowledgeable Frameworkers will note that none of the films I’ve listed
>> were made later than 2000, which is due to my failure to “keep up” as
>> films, videos, and on-line sites for experimental/avant-garde works have
>> proliferated in the new century. But I’ve no doubt that many more examples
>> of recycled pornography have appeared in one form or another during the
>> last 13 years.
>>
>> My point is that it is appropriate for Frameworks to provide a “portal”
>> for works with pornographic content.
>>
>> And in closing, a quote from Paul Arthur’s “A Line of Sight”: “For a
>> number of filmmakers...the appropriation and reworking of actual
>> pornography, or the restaging of its typical mise-en-scene, is a signpost
>> for an erotics of ‘different desiring’ as well as a jab of cultural
>> resistance in a reactionary sexual climate.”
>>
>> –Bill Wees
>>
>> *From:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *nicky.hamlyn at talktalk.net
>> *Sent:* September 11, 2013 7:58 AM
>> *To:* FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
>>
>> Since when did Frameworks become a porno portal?
>>
>> Nicky.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaime cleeland <ethnomite at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 9:08
>> Subject: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
>> https://archive.org/details/FeralBoyMoreHomemadeXXXartoonsWithTits1
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 19:30:14 -0400
> From: jimjennings906 <jimjennings906 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees,
> Dr.)
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> From: Sasha Waters Freyer <swfreyer at vcu.edu>
> Date: 09/15/2013 8:26 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
>
>
> I was glad to see Bill Wees' response highlighting the tradition of experimental reframings of pornography. I myself have just completed "An Incomplete History of Pornography,1979" which uses a super 8mm porn film from the late '70s as its source for a weird, hairy essayistic exploration into the social and economic context of porn as it relates to Neo-liberal decline since the dawn of Reagan and Thatcher. It's p-word protected on vimeo, but what the hell? I'll list it here in case anyone is interested (also because I have my doubts about it getting programmed - it's kind of out there).
>
> https://vimeo.com/60856588
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> password: Carter
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> Sasha
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> 1. Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
> (Adam Hyman)
> 2. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Scott Dorsey)
> 3. Re: Self Developing Mess (Scott Dorsey)
> 4. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Jeff Kreines)
> 5. Re: Self Developing Mess (Diana Arce)
> 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
> 7. NYC Film-Makers Cooperative Benefit THIS TUESDAY 17th!
> (Katherine Bauer)
> 8. Re: Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
> (Echo Park Film Center)
> 9. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Chris G)
> 10. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Ryder White)
> 11. A Tribute to Anne Charlotte Robertson (Tara Nelson)
> 12. Re: experimental cartoon (jaime cleeland)
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:57:35 -0700
> Subject: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays. It’s on the regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films. The commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new works and people.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter
>
> Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin Zemel, Bryan Konefsky, John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
> Worthy of looking at and feedback.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
> Los Angeles Filmforum
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:11:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels
> Dunno, but there were as many different hub standards in the thirties
> as there are today in the 35mm world.
>
> I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably the
> best guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.
> --scott
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:12:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
> Wait... one more thought... you weren't using a rewind tank by any chance,
> were you?
> --scott
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jeff Kreines <jeff at kinetta.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:16:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels
>
> On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com> wrote:
>
> I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably the
> best guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.
>
> Agreed. Nice guy, too.
>
> Jeff Kreines
> Kinetta
> jeff at kinetta.com
> kinetta.com
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Diana Arce <darce at visualosmosis.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:24:02 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
> Thanks everyone so much for all the advice, I really appreciate it. The film was stored in a cool, dry space, but it was also a bit old. I will definitely make sure to keep the temperatures real low if I end up doing an older roll again! Also, I developed in a lomotank, so no reminds.
>
> Diana
>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "William Wees, Dr." <william.wees at mcgill.ca>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:52:51 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
> Nicky’s comment implies disapproval of an experimental film discussion group providing a link to a film composed of recycled and digitally manipulated pornography. (I don’t know if it also implies a disapproval of pornography in general, but that’s not the issue here.)
>
>
>
> It’s worth remembering that within the tradition of experimental/avant-garde found-footage films and videos there is a small but persistent sub-genre of works composed in part or entirely of recycled porn, and in many cases, but certainly not all, the images are subjected to various forms of visual manipulation. A few–among many possible–examples: Frédéric Charpentier, “The Dog Star Man Has a Too Big Cock for the Sheba Queen” (I’ll bet not many people in North America have seen that one), Peggy Ahwesh, “The Color of Love,” Luther Price, “Sodom,” Ken Jacobs “XCXHXEXRXRXIXEXSX,” Scott Stark, “Noema,” Bruce Elder, “Crack, Brutal, Grief.” And then there’s my favourite–though its source would have to fall in the “soft porn/girlie movie” category: Bruce Conner’s “Marilyn x Five.”
>
>
>
> Knowledgeable Frameworkers will note that none of the films I’ve listed were made later than 2000, which is due to my failure to “keep up” as films, videos, and on-line sites for experimental/avant-garde works have proliferated in the new century. But I’ve no doubt that many more examples of recycled pornography have appeared in one form or another during the last 13 years.
>
>
>
> My point is that it is appropriate for Frameworks to provide a “portal” for works with pornographic content.
>
>
>
> And in closing, a quote from Paul Arthur’s “A Line of Sight”: “For a number of filmmakers...the appropriation and reworking of actual pornography, or the restaging of its typical mise-en-scene, is a signpost for an erotics of ‘different desiring’ as well as a jab of cultural resistance in a reactionary sexual climate.”
>
>
>
> –Bill Wees
>
>
>
> From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of nicky.hamlyn at talktalk.net
> Sent: September 11, 2013 7:58 AM
> To: FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
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>
> Since when did Frameworks become a porno portal?
>
> Nicky.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaime cleeland <ethnomite at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 9:08
> Subject: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon
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> https://archive.org/details/FeralBoyMoreHomemadeXXXartoonsWithTits1
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> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:12:25 -0400
> Subject: [Frameworks] NYC Film-Makers Cooperative Benefit THIS TUESDAY 17th!
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> THIS TUESDAY IN NYC!
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> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:05:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center
> Thanks, Adam! Thanks, Kate! Sometimes we get so busy at the Film Center, we forget to toot our own horn...
>
> Check out Marvelous Movie Mondays, Frameworkers, and let us know if you'd like to guest curate… It really is marvelous!
>
> Lisa Marr
> Echo Park Film Center
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays. It’s on the regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films. The commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new works and people.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter
>
> Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin Zemel, Bryan Konefsky, John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
> Worthy of looking at and feedback.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
> Los Angeles Filmforum
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> From: Chris G <spydir at gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:09:34 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
> If you're in NYC you can purchase it directly from Kodak at their office inside of Panavision (go in, fill out a form, pay and get it in 20-30 minutes).
>
> On Sep 14, 2013, at 14:30, Stefan Grabowski <stefan at radonlake.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Sophie,
>
> If you'll be in New York , you can buy 100' rolls of 16mm film from B&H. Hunt's Photo in Boston also stocks 16mm. Or you could purchase directly from Kodak if you can wait for them to ship it.
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> For prints - FotoKem supposedly does good work though I haven't had much experience with them. If you have time to send it to the East Coast, I highly recommend sending to
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> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 18:22:08 -0700
> From: kate lain <kate at katemakesfilms.com>
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo
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> Thanks for the shout-out, Adam! And I'll echo Lisa here -- yes, please do
> let us know if you're interested in guest curating! For the job, we're
> looking for film/video artists/makers. No past curating experience
> required (but definitely welcomed if you have it). And since we're in Los
> Angeles and would love to reach out beyond our backyard, we're looking for
> folks based in places other than Los Angeles.
>
> Feel free to shoot me an email if you're interested in guest curating or
> have any questions about it. And do check out the series. It's pretty
> fun. This month's theme is "Screendance," and we've covered all sorts of
> ground in past months—from experimental music video to taxidermy to
> "simple, cheap, and awesome."
>
> All the best,
> Kate
>
> --
> kate lain
> kate at katemakesfilms.com
> 626.644.5283
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 14, 2013, Echo Park Film Center <info at echoparkfilmcenter.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Adam! Thanks, Kate! Sometimes we get so busy at the Film Center,
>> we forget to toot our own horn...
>>
>> Check out Marvelous Movie Mondays, Frameworkers, and let us know if you'd
>> like to guest curate… It really is marvelous!
>>
>> Lisa Marr
>> Echo Park Film Center
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series
>> being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and
>> also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays. It’s on the
>> regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films. The
>> commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new
>> works and people.
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter
>>>
>>> Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on
>> experimental dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie
>> Mack, Dustin Zemel, Bryan Konefsky, John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta,
>> and Kate Lain.
>>> Worthy of looking at and feedback.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>> Los Angeles Filmforum
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