[Frameworks] 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)

Fri Sep 20 22:16:26 UTC 2013

Intelligent and interesting. I like it. Thanks for posting.

Tim

From: swfreyer at vcu.edu
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:26:03 -0400
To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] 6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)

I was glad to see Bill Wees' response highlighting the tradition of experimental reframings of pornography.  I myself have just completed "An Incomplete History of Pornography,1979" which uses a super 8mm porn film from the late '70s as its source for a weird, hairy essayistic exploration into the social and economic context of porn as it relates to Neo-liberal decline since the dawn of Reagan and Thatcher.  It's p-word protected on vimeo, but what the hell?  I'll list it here in case anyone is interested (also because I have my doubts about it getting programmed - it's kind of out there).

https://vimeo.com/60856588 

password: Carter

Sasha

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   1. Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film        Center
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   2. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Scott Dorsey)
   3. Re: Self Developing Mess (Scott Dorsey)
   4. Re: B&W German Newsreels on odd reels (Jeff Kreines)
   5. Re: Self Developing Mess (Diana Arce)
   6. Re: experimental cartoon (William Wees, Dr.)
   7. NYC Film-Makers Cooperative Benefit THIS TUESDAY 17th!
      (Katherine Bauer)
   8. Re: Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film    Center
      (Echo Park Film Center)
   9. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Chris G)
  10. Re: buy dev + print 16mm film in America (Ryder White)
  11. A Tribute to Anne Charlotte Robertson (Tara Nelson)
  12. Re: experimental cartoon (jaime cleeland)

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From: Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:57:35 -0700
Subject: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center

Hi all,

Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays.  It’s on the regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films.  The commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new works and people.

https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter

Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin Zemel, Bryan Konefsky,  John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
Worthy of looking at and feedback.

Best,

Adam
Los Angeles Filmforum 

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:11:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels
Dunno, but there were as many different hub standards in the thirties
as there are today in the 35mm world.

I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably the
best guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.
--scott

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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
Wait... one more thought... you weren't using a rewind tank by any chance,
were you?
--scott

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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B&W German Newsreels on odd reels

On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com> wrote:

I'd talk to Frank Wylie at the Library of Congress, who is probably thebest guy I know for dealing with nitrate stocks in general.

Agreed.  Nice guy, too.

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Self Developing Mess
Thanks everyone so much for all the advice, I really appreciate it. The film was stored in a cool, dry space, but it was also a bit old. I will definitely make sure to keep the temperatures real low if I end up doing an older roll again! Also, I developed in a lomotank, so no reminds.

Diana

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From: "William Wees, Dr." <william.wees at mcgill.ca>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:52:51 +0000
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

Nicky’s comment implies disapproval of an experimental film discussion group providing a link to a film composed of recycled and digitally manipulated pornography. (I don’t know if it also implies a disapproval of pornography in general, but that’s not the issue here.)

It’s worth remembering that within the tradition of experimental/avant-garde found-footage films and videos there is a small but persistent sub-genre of works composed in part or entirely of recycled porn, and in many cases, but certainly not all, the images are subjected to various forms of visual manipulation. A few–among many possible–examples: Frédéric Charpentier, “The Dog Star Man Has a Too Big Cock for the Sheba Queen” (I’ll bet not many people in North America have seen that one), Peggy Ahwesh, “The Color of Love,” Luther Price, “Sodom,” Ken Jacobs “XCXHXEXRXRXIXEXSX,” Scott Stark, “Noema,” Bruce Elder, “Crack, Brutal, Grief.” And then there’s my favourite–though its source would have to fall in the “soft porn/girlie movie” category: Bruce Conner’s “Marilyn x Five.”

Knowledgeable Frameworkers will note that none of the films I’ve listed were made later than 2000, which is due to my failure to “keep up” as films, videos, and on-line sites for experimental/avant-garde works have proliferated in the new century. But I’ve no doubt that many more examples of recycled pornography have appeared in one form or another during the last 13 years.

My point is that it is appropriate for Frameworks to provide a “portal” for works with pornographic content.

And in closing, a quote from Paul Arthur’s “A Line of Sight”: “For a number of filmmakers...the appropriation and reworking of actual pornography, or the restaging of its typical mise-en-scene, is a signpost for an erotics of ‘different desiring’ as well as a jab of cultural resistance in a reactionary sexual climate.” 

–Bill Wees

From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of nicky.hamlyn at talktalk.net
Sent: September 11, 2013 7:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

Since when did Frameworks become a porno portal?

Nicky.

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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Marvelous Movie Mondays online from Echo Park Film Center

Thanks, Adam! Thanks, Kate! Sometimes we get so busy at the Film Center, we forget to toot our own horn... 

Check out Marvelous Movie Mondays, Frameworkers, and let us know if you'd like to guest curate… It really is marvelous! 

Lisa Marr
Echo Park Film Center

On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Adam Hyman <adam at lafilmforum.org> wrote:

Hi all,

Just wanted to call attention to the ongoing online curatorial series being hosted by the Echo Park Film Center and organized by Kate Lain and also many guest curators called Marvelous Movie Mondays.  It’s on the regular EPFC Facebook page, and include commentary and films.  The commentary angle is what makes it good, and the possible exposure to new works and people.

https://www.facebook.com/echoparkfilmcenter

Terri Sarris is the current guest curator, and is focusing on experimental dance films; some past ones have included Roger Beebe, Jodie Mack, Dustin Zemel, Bryan Konefsky,  John Warren, Evan Meaney, Sarah Suta, and Kate Lain.
Worthy of looking at and feedback.

Best,

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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America

If you're in NYC you can purchase it directly from Kodak at their office inside of Panavision (go in, fill out a form, pay and get it in 20-30 minutes).

On Sep 14, 2013, at 14:30, Stefan Grabowski <stefan at radonlake.com> wrote:

Hi Sophie, 

If you'll be in New York , you can buy 100' rolls of 16mm film from B&H. Hunt's Photo in Boston also stocks 16mm. Or you could purchase directly from Kodak if you can wait for them to ship it. 

For prints - FotoKem supposedly does good work though I haven't had much experience with them. If you have time to send it to the East Coast, I highly recommend sending to Colorlab in Maryland.

Best,

Stefan

> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:53:49 +0100
> From: mail at sophielascelles.co.uk
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I will be touring the US for 2 months, can anyone tell me how much it 
> costs to buy, develop and print a roll of 100 ft 16mm negative film? How 
> do prices compare to the UK? Also where do I buy film on the east coast 
> and where do I dev + print in LA?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sophie
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 20:44:57 -0300
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America

If you have an address you'll be staying at on the east coast, you could always order ahead from kodak so your film is there when you arrive (this has helped us out a lot as we travel). I don't have any experience with LA labs but Alphacine (http://www.alphacine.com) in Seattle does high quality work if you can handle the shipping.

RW

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Chris G <spydir at gmail.com> wrote:

If you're in NYC you can purchase it directly from Kodak at their office inside of Panavision (go in, fill out a form, pay and get it in 20-30 minutes).

On Sep 14, 2013, at 14:30, Stefan Grabowski <stefan at radonlake.com> wrote:

Hi Sophie, 

If you'll be in New York , you can buy 100' rolls of 16mm film from B&H. Hunt's Photo in Boston also stocks 16mm. Or you could purchase directly from Kodak if you can wait for them to ship it. 

For prints - FotoKem supposedly does good work though I haven't had much experience with them. If you have time to send it to the East Coast, I highly recommend sending to Colorlab in Maryland.

Best,

Stefan

> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:53:49 +0100
> From: mail at sophielascelles.co.uk
> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] buy dev + print 16mm film in America
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I will be touring the US for 2 months, can anyone tell me how much it 
> costs to buy, develop and print a roll of 100 ft 16mm negative film? How 
> do prices compare to the UK? Also where do I buy film on the east coast 
> and where do I dev + print in LA?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sophie
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:48:29 -0400
Subject: [Frameworks] A Tribute to Anne Charlotte Robertson

PRESS RELEASE 

THE HARVARD FILM ARCHIVE PRESENTS

I WANTED TO SEE HOW I LIVED, I WANTED TO LOVE MYSELF AND MY PAST.
A TRIBUTE TO ANNE CHARLOTTE ROBERTSON September 15 – 16, 2013

CAMBRIDGE, MA: The Harvard Film Archive is pleased to present I WANTED TO SEE HOW I LIVED, I WANTED TO LOVE MYSELF AND MY PAST. A TRIBUTE TO ANNE CHARLOTTE ROBERTSON September 15 – 16, 2013

About the filmmaker:
Influenced by filmmakers as diverse as Ed Pincus and Carolee Schneemann, Anne Charlotte Robertson (1949 – 2012) was a Boston area Super 8 filmmaker who examined and shared her life through her work – a mix of essay, performance and stop-motion animation. Anne completed her graduate degree at Massachusetts College of Art in the 1980s – honing her filmmaking skills under the tutelage of Saul Levine. Diagnosed with various and changing mental disorders, Anne faced several breakdowns and mental hospitals – experiences she documented and exorcised thoroughly through her films – particularly within the annals of Five Year Diary (1981-1997), a project spanning nearly two decades.

Though relentlessly intense and emotional, her films are not entirely bleak, for her bracing self-awareness and humor energize and bring a rare effulgence to the depths of her darkest moments.  Anne boldly exposed her most intimate and obsessive inner dialogues – from illness, breakdowns and longing for love to diets, cats and the minutia of existence.  She also considered the filmmaking experience therapeutic and cited the process as helping cure her depression.

Anne died of cancer September 15, 2012 leaving behind an archive of a life passionately examined, primarily through the rough warmth of Super 8. Most of her work was created on Super 8 sound film featuring a soundtrack on the film, with additional audio on cassette and narrated live by Anne, creating many layers of sound and story. The original materials have been digitally transferred and are presented here on DigiBeta.

The Harvard Film Archive, home to the Anne Charlotte Robertson Collection, is honored to pay tribute, over the course of two evenings, to the vivid insights and imagination of a pioneer of experimental first-person cinema.  – Liz Coffey, HFA Film Conservator

Special thanks: Toni Treadway and Saul Levine

Film schedule:

Sunday September 15 at 7pm
Apologies
I apologize for everything; another exercise in self-therapy. – Anne Charlotte Robertson
US 1986, digital video, color, 17 min

Talking to Myself
Double-exposed self faces self, wrangling, complaining, trying to hear oneself think. – ACR
US 1985, digital video, color, 3 min

Locomotion
Overdoses, breakdown, and rage at system in a stylized mental hospital isolation room. – ACR
US 1981, digital video, color, 7 min

Five Year Diary, Reel 22: A Short Affair and Going Crazy
US 1982, digital video, color, 27 min

Five Year Diary, Reel 23: A Breakdown and After the Mental Hospital
US 1928, digital video, color, 27 min

TRT = 81 minutes
http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa/films/2013julsep/robertson.html#one

Monday September 16 at 7pm
Subways
Lightshow in public transit tunnels, patterns and flashes, screeching and bells. – ACR
US 1976, digital video, color, 13 min

Going to Work
Daily morning trudge and trolley through snow and ice; pigeons, other winter beauties. – ACR
US 1981, digital video, color, 7 min

My Cat My Garden and 9/11
My adored cat Zouina died a week before the tragedy; a week after, my garden died. – ACR
US 2001, digital video, color, 6 min

Five Year Diary, Reel 80 – Emily Died (second edit)
US 1994, digital video, color, 27 min

Five Year Diary, Reel 81 – Mourning Emily
US 1995, digital video, color, 27 min

TRT: 80 min
http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa/films/2013julsep/robertson.html#two

This press release and photos are available for download on the press page of the Harvard Film Archive’s website: http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa/general_info.html#press. The user name and password are hfapress.  Please contact bgravely at fas.harvard.edu for additional photos, screeners or more information.

Harvard Film Archive
24 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
(617) 495-4700
http://hcl.harvard.edu/hfa
General Admission Tickets $9, $7 Non-Harvard Students, Seniors, Harvard Faculty and Staff. Harvard students free
Special event tickets (for in-person appearances) are $12.
Tickets go on sale 45 minutes prior to show time. The HFA does not do advance ticket sales.

Press Contact:
Brittany Gravely
Publicist
Harvard Film Archive
24 Quincy Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-3211
bgravely at fas.harvard.edu

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From: jaime cleeland <ethnomite at yahoo.co.uk>
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:02:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

Thank you Bill Wees

From: "William Wees, Dr." <william.wees at mcgill.ca>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013, 2:52
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

Nicky’s comment implies disapproval of an experimental film discussion group providing a link to a film composed of recycled and digitally manipulated pornography. (I don’t know if it also implies a disapproval of pornography in general, but that’s not the issue here.)

It’s worth remembering that within the tradition of experimental/avant-garde found-footage films and videos there is a small but persistent sub-genre of works composed in part or entirely of recycled porn, and in many cases, but certainly not all, the images are subjected to various forms of visual manipulation. A few–among many possible–examples: Frédéric Charpentier, “The Dog Star Man Has a Too Big Cock for the Sheba Queen” (I’ll bet not many people in North America have seen that one), Peggy Ahwesh, “The Color of Love,” Luther Price, “Sodom,” Ken Jacobs “XCXHXEXRXRXIXEXSX,” Scott Stark, “Noema,” Bruce Elder, “Crack, Brutal, Grief.” And then there’s my favourite–though its source would have to fall in the “soft porn/girlie movie” category: Bruce Conner’s “Marilyn x Five.”

Knowledgeable Frameworkers will note that none of the films I’ve listed were made later than 2000, which is due to my failure to “keep up” as films, videos, and on-line sites for experimental/avant-garde works have proliferated in the new century. But I’ve no doubt that many more examples of recycled pornography have appeared in one form or another during the last 13 years.

My point is that it is appropriate for Frameworks to provide a “portal” for works with pornographic content.

And in closing, a quote from Paul Arthur’s “A Line of Sight”: “For a number of filmmakers...the appropriation and reworking of actual pornography, or the restaging of its typical mise-en-scene, is a signpost for an erotics of ‘different desiring’ as well as a jab of cultural resistance in a reactionary sexual climate.” 

–Bill Wees

From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-bounces at jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of nicky.hamlyn at talktalk.net
Sent: September 11, 2013 7:58 AM
To: FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

Since when did Frameworks become a porno portal?

Nicky.

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To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 9:08
Subject: [Frameworks] experimental cartoon

https://archive.org/details/FeralBoyMoreHomemadeXXXartoonsWithTits1
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