[Frameworks] query for those who teach filmmaking

[chris bravo]

iMovie isn't dumb either. In 2000-2001 ish there was a major move away from
FCP 3 (at the time) to iMovie, and a lot of "professional editors"  edited
exclusively on iMovie, including Zach Stiglitz and Art Jones, I believe.
So, yeah, the iMovie as derogatory slur doesn't make much sense to me
either. And who cares about the professional market anyway? So your
evidence that FCP X is "dumb" is that because post house refuse to edit car
commercials on it. Yeah, that's not dumb at all.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Richard Sylvarnes <rsylvarnes at gmail.com>wrote:

> Apple is very direct in their intention to make FCPX more favorable to the
> consumer and IMovie user. They recognize that the professional market is
> too small for their bottom line. Therefore, yes, they are dumbing it down.
> Why, otherwise, is every professional editor I know either switching or
> have otherwise switched already or are still working with FCP7?
>
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:51 PM, chris bravo wrote:
>
> I really don't get this idea that FCP X is "dumb"? What do people mean by
> that? FCP X is obviously not dumb, are you referring to features? Clip
> tagging with keywords, for example, is totally innovative and forward
> thinking (it seems to me) and allows an editor to navigate through more
> footage more quickly and organize it more intuitively and
> idiosyncratically. (Intuitively I think means in a way that makes obvious
> sense to the editor). Comparatively Premiere and AVID are way behind on
> that front. Magnetic timeline the same, once you become comfortable with
> the behaviors, its a much more stable timeline than the normal sequence
> strucutre and allows you to edit sections of a long cut with much greater
> confidence that you aren't fucking up the sequence by rippling tracks in
> ways that aren't obvious. Timeline inspector the same. In one window you
> can quickly get an overview of everything that appears in the timeline and
> quickly naviagte to specific clips and monitor their states. (Oh, wait, you
> don't know about that feature? Please continue expressing ill-informed
> opinions, though.). XML exporting the same, FCP X exports far and away the
> most detailed xml of any editing software and allows incredible flexibility
> moving projects into audio and online software. And anyways do people
> really think that somehow Apple is maliciously contributing to the
> stupidification of media production rather than, say, ADOBE? that is an
> insane position to take. Use whatever program you like, but this
> witch-hunting is tiresome.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Beebe, Roger W. <beebe.77 at osu.edu> wrote:
>
>> On the original topic of editing software, I’d throw my weight behind
>> switching to Premiere.  At the University of Florida, I experimented for a
>> semester with FCPX, and I found it buggy & dumbed down in ways that made it
>> hard to do things that I’ve come to expect from my editing systems.  The
>> magnetic timeline is one of the worst innovations I’ve ever encountered,
>> and the commingling of audio and video tracks just makes everything look
>> chaotic.  I’m sure I could’ve applied myself & gotten more familiar with
>> the quirks of this system, but I preferred instead to switch over to
>> Premiere, which had much more of the feel of FCP 7 and also had the
>> advantage of integrating seamlessly with Premiere and After Effects.
>>
>> I’m also on the UFVA list and this discussion has come up frequently.
>>  FCPX does have a few defenders, but it has produced much more
>> dissatisfaction.
>>
>> I’ve just relocated to Ohio State, and we’ve started anew in Premiere.
>>  The person who had been teaching the video classes here was teaching FCPX,
>> but he seemed excited to switch over after the troubles he’s had with FCP.
>>
>> As for hardware, here at Ohio State, our labs all have iMacs.  The older
>> ones really do slow down when you attempt to do anything slightly complex;
>> even the newer ones are noticeably slower than the Mac Pros I left behind
>> in Florida.  It is a great cost savings though, and if you only have to pay
>> with your time, it just depends on how much you’ll hate having to go make a
>> pot of tea while you render a sequence.  It’s certainly not impossible to
>> do interesting, layered work on an iMac though.
>>
>> 2 cents,
>> R.
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:42 PM, Aaron F. Ross <aaron at digitalartsguild.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I would steer clear of iMacs for video editing, they are underpowered.
>> If you want to render HD video, it's going to be slow and painful on even
>> the high end iMacs. The Mac Pro is very fast, but very expensive. It is
>> only available with small solid state drives, so you have to buy additional
>> external hard drives.
>> >
>> > Aaron
>> >
>> >
>> >> I disagree with $4000.  A 21" iMac - what a school would likely be
>> running Final Cut on - starts at $1299.  I assume there are bulk discounts
>> for schools, but they likely already have the computers.
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >      Aaron F. Ross, artist and educator
>> >      http://dr-yo.com
>> >      http://digitalartsguild.com
>> >
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