[Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about avant-garde cinema
James Hansen
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Thu Feb 15 13:56:12 UTC 2018
Michael Almereyda's Hamlet turns the title character into an experimental
film/video artist. Worth a look.
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> 1. Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Albert Alcoz)
> 2. EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018 (Edwin Rostron)
> 3. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Pablo Marin)
> 4. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Pablo Marin)
> 5. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Scott Dorsey)
> 6. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Francisco Torres)
> 7. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Esperanza Collado)
> 8. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (David Kidman)
> 9. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Christopher Ball)
> 10. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Pip Chodorov)
> 11. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Elena Duque)
> 12. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (David Kidman)
> 13. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> (Cari Machet)
> 14. Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics (Elena Duque)
> 15. Re: Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
> (Pip Chodorov)
> 16. Re: Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
> (Elena Duque)
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> From: Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:01:55 +0100
> Subject: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
> Hello,
>
> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute to
> Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>
> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>
> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
> understood under this idea.
>
> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>
> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Albert
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:33:21 +0000
> Subject: [Frameworks] EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018
> *EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018 *
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> *2-4 MARCH 2018, LONDON UK*
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> *BFI SOUTHBANK, BARBICAN + CLOSE-UP*
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> Edge of Frame presents a weekend of experimental and independent
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> The Edge of Frame Weekend 2018 is a unique three-day celebration of
> experimental animation, featuring innovative, visionary and risk-taking
> work in a packed programme of screenings and discussion, with premieres of
> brand new films showing alongside classics of animated art.
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> Following the success of the first Edge of Frame Weekend in 2016, the 2018
> edition features six new screening programmes, at BFI Southbank, Barbican
> and Close-Up, including a retrospective of guest artist Peter Burr,
> guest-curated programmes from Herb Shellenberger and Alexander Stewart,
> plus an afternoon of talks illuminating the processes, histories and
> context of experimental animation. Leading contemporary animators will
> present new and recent works, including Peter Millard, Natalia Stuyk,
> Jonathan Hodgson, Steve Reinke, Julian Gallese and Vicky Smith. Guest
> Curators Herb Shellenberger and Alexander Stewart have programmed
> screenings especially for the Weekend, exploring ‘The Animated Body’ and
> the highly original and influential experimental animation output of
> California Institute of the Arts. The Weekend begins with an afternoon of
> talks from a selection of leading artists, critics, academics and curators.
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> “*Delving into the many offerings of Edge of Frame demonstrates the
> rewards of taking a chance, of welcoming strange ideas and experiencing new
> things.*” - Little White Lies
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> supported by Jerwood Charitable Foundation, Royal College of Art, and using
> public funding by the National Lottery through Arts Council England.
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> From: Pablo Marin <pamarin82 at yahoo.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>,
> Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> Hi Albert,
>
>
> Mmm... David Holzman's Diary?
>
> Maybe some Godard would fit as well...
>
> Best!
> Pablo.
>
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> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 9:02, Albert Alcoz
> <albertalcoz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute to
> Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>
> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>
> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
> understood under this idea.
>
> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>
> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Albert
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> From: Pablo Marin <pamarin82 at yahoo.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>,
> Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> Hi Albert,
>
>
> Mmm... David Holzman's Diary?
>
> Maybe some Godard would fit as well...
>
> Best!
> Pablo.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 9:02, Albert Alcoz
> <albertalcoz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute to
> Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>
> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>
> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
> understood under this idea.
>
> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>
> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Albert
> --
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:22:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
> --scott
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:36:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> After the Fox 1966
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
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> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>
>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>> --scott
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:09:32 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
> inverted way.
>
> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>
>> After the Fox 1966
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>
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>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>
>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:36:05 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
> D
>
> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
> inverted way.
>
> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>
>> After the Fox 1966
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>
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>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>
>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> I always thought that the first few minutes of Lost Highway was a tribute
> to Meshes of the Afternoon
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:36 PM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>> D
>>
>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>> inverted way.
>>
>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>
>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>> --scott
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:40:50 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> No that was Lost Highway
> P
>
>
> At 22:36 +0100 14/02/18, David Kidman wrote:
>
>> Isn¹t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>> D
>>
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:50:58 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> Man with a Movie Camera, by Dziga Vertov?
>
> El 14 feb. 2018 22:36, "David Kidman" <david.kidman at gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>> D
>>
>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>> inverted way.
>>
>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>
>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>> --scott
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> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:20:26 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> I hesitated to put them both forward, but definitely both.
> There is also 12 monkeys as a fully paid-up La Jetée remake.
>
> D
>
>
> On 15 Feb 2018, at 02:20, Christopher Ball <cbifilms at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I always thought that the first few minutes of Lost Highway was a tribute
> to Meshes of the Afternoon
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:36 PM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>> D
>>
>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>> inverted way.
>>
>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>
>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>> --scott
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> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:08:30 +0300
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
> cinema
> american beauty
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:36 AM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>> D
>>
>>
>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>> inverted way.
>>
>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
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>>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Elena Duque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
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> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:28:25 +0100
> Subject: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
> Dear Frameworkers
>
> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of introduction
> to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in a small
> town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm (not this
> year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent and
> screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the cooperatives
> and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some things I
> consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken. Do you
> know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I can
> find digital "prints" to rent?
>
> Thank you very much in advance!
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pip Chodorov <frameworks at re-voir.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:39:42 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde
> classics
> Dear Elena,
>
> Many filmmakers don't want their films shown digitally. A good example is
> Stan Brakhage. It really denatures the intended image. Other filmmakers are
> more tolerant, such as Jonas Mekas. It is a big debate.
>
> At Re:Voir in Paris we have digital files for our VOD platform and
> DVD/Blu-Ray publishing but these are meant only for home video, and though
> we do get requests for screenings we always encourage programmers to screen
> film prints from the coops. A 16mm projector is really quite affordable.
> But if the programmers insist and if the filmmakers agree, we can rent
> files.
>
> In any case it is important to write in your screening programs and to
> tell the audience that you are showing electronic reproductions. Just as if
> you go to a museum you expect to see original paintings, not photocopies,
> so reproductions would be indicated on the title card. It is important to
> educate your audience and show them films on film!
>
> Pip Chodorov
>
>
>
>
> At 12:28 +0100 15/02/18, Elena Duque wrote:
>
>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Elena Duque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:53:03 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde
> classics
> Thanks, Pip
>
> I totally understand that, and I work for a festival that is very aware of
> that ((S8) Mostra de Cinema Periférico in A Coruña). Ideally, I would
> suggest them to project in 16mm, but this is a test screening in a small
> Spanish town, happening in a month and a half thanks to a venue they just
> got recently. So, there is no time and no money for this edition (besides
> of getting a projector, it would be necessary to hire a projectionist and
> pay for the shipping of the prints), but hopefully we will be able to that
> properly next year. So, I'm trying to do my best with what's available, in
> a place with no avant garde screenings tradition whatsoever. It is
> important to be aware of the context, and as much as I think that the
> analog screening is a totally different experience, I think this is better
> than nothing. We go little by little, trying to create a new audience that
> does not exist now!
>
> Given that, thank you very much for your suggestion! I will look through
> your catalogue and maybe I will make you some enquiries, trying to be
> respectful to all the filmmakers involved.
>
> Cheers!
>
> 2018-02-15 12:39 GMT+01:00 Pip Chodorov <frameworks at re-voir.com>:
>
>> Dear Elena,
>>
>> Many filmmakers don't want their films shown digitally. A good example is
>> Stan Brakhage. It really denatures the intended image. Other filmmakers are
>> more tolerant, such as Jonas Mekas. It is a big debate.
>>
>> At Re:Voir in Paris we have digital files for our VOD platform and
>> DVD/Blu-Ray publishing but these are meant only for home video, and though
>> we do get requests for screenings we always encourage programmers to screen
>> film prints from the coops. A 16mm projector is really quite affordable.
>> But if the programmers insist and if the filmmakers agree, we can rent
>> files.
>>
>> In any case it is important to write in your screening programs and to
>> tell the audience that you are showing electronic reproductions. Just as if
>> you go to a museum you expect to see original paintings, not photocopies,
>> so reproductions would be indicated on the title card. It is important to
>> educate your audience and show them films on film!
>>
>> Pip Chodorov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:28 +0100 15/02/18, Elena Duque wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> FrameWorks mailing list
>> FrameWorks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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>
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