[Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about avant-garde cinema
Warren Cockerham
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Thu Feb 15 14:00:15 UTC 2018
There's also Knox Harrington - a video artist.
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM, James Hansen <james.p.hansen at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Michael Almereyda's Hamlet turns the title character into an experimental
> film/video artist. Worth a look.
>
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>> 1. Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Albert Alcoz)
>> 2. EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018 (Edwin Rostron)
>> 3. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Pablo Marin)
>> 4. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Pablo Marin)
>> 5. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Scott Dorsey)
>> 6. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Francisco Torres)
>> 7. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Esperanza Collado)
>> 8. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (David Kidman)
>> 9. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Christopher Ball)
>> 10. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Pip Chodorov)
>> 11. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Elena Duque)
>> 12. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (David Kidman)
>> 13. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>> (Cari Machet)
>> 14. Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics (Elena Duque)
>> 15. Re: Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
>> (Pip Chodorov)
>> 16. Re: Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
>> (Elena Duque)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:01:55 +0100
>> Subject: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute
>> to Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>>
>> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
>> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
>> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
>> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
>> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
>> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>>
>> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
>> understood under this idea.
>>
>> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>>
>> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Albert
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>> From: Edwin Rostron <edwinrostron at gmail.com>
>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:33:21 +0000
>> Subject: [Frameworks] EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018
>> *EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018 *
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>> *2-4 MARCH 2018, LONDON UK*
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>> *BFI SOUTHBANK, BARBICAN + CLOSE-UP*
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>> Edge of Frame presents a weekend of experimental and independent
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>> The Edge of Frame Weekend 2018 is a unique three-day celebration of
>> experimental animation, featuring innovative, visionary and risk-taking
>> work in a packed programme of screenings and discussion, with premieres of
>> brand new films showing alongside classics of animated art.
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>> Following the success of the first Edge of Frame Weekend in 2016, the
>> 2018 edition features six new screening programmes, at BFI Southbank,
>> Barbican and Close-Up, including a retrospective of guest artist Peter
>> Burr, guest-curated programmes from Herb Shellenberger and Alexander
>> Stewart, plus an afternoon of talks illuminating the processes, histories
>> and context of experimental animation. Leading contemporary animators will
>> present new and recent works, including Peter Millard, Natalia Stuyk,
>> Jonathan Hodgson, Steve Reinke, Julian Gallese and Vicky Smith. Guest
>> Curators Herb Shellenberger and Alexander Stewart have programmed
>> screenings especially for the Weekend, exploring ‘The Animated Body’ and
>> the highly original and influential experimental animation output of
>> California Institute of the Arts. The Weekend begins with an afternoon of
>> talks from a selection of leading artists, critics, academics and curators.
>>
>>
>> “*Delving into the many offerings of Edge of Frame demonstrates the
>> rewards of taking a chance, of welcoming strange ideas and experiencing new
>> things.*” - Little White Lies
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>> The Edge of Frame Weekend 2018 is curated by Edwin Rostron, and is
>> supported by Jerwood Charitable Foundation, Royal College of Art, and using
>> public funding by the National Lottery through Arts Council England.
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>>
>> Full programme information can be found here:
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Pablo Marin <pamarin82 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>,
>> Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> Hi Albert,
>>
>>
>> Mmm... David Holzman's Diary?
>>
>> Maybe some Godard would fit as well...
>>
>> Best!
>> Pablo.
>>
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>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 9:02, Albert Alcoz
>> <albertalcoz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute
>> to Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>>
>> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
>> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
>> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
>> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
>> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
>> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>>
>> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
>> understood under this idea.
>>
>> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>>
>> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Albert
>> --
>> http://visionaryfilm.net/ <http://www.visionaryfilm.net/>
>> http://albertalcoz.com/ <http://www.albertalcoz.com/>
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>> From: Pablo Marin <pamarin82 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>,
>> Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> Hi Albert,
>>
>>
>> Mmm... David Holzman's Diary?
>>
>> Maybe some Godard would fit as well...
>>
>> Best!
>> Pablo.
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 9:02, Albert Alcoz
>> <albertalcoz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute
>> to Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>>
>> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
>> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
>> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
>> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
>> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
>> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>>
>> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
>> understood under this idea.
>>
>> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>>
>> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Albert
>> --
>> http://visionaryfilm.net/ <http://www.visionaryfilm.net/>
>> http://albertalcoz.com/ <http://www.albertalcoz.com/>
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>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com, pamarin82 at yahoo.com
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:22:32 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>> --scott
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:36:47 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> After the Fox 1966
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:09:32 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>> inverted way.
>>
>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>
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>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>
>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>> --scott
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:36:05 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>> D
>>
>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>> inverted way.
>>
>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>
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>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>
>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:20:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> I always thought that the first few minutes of Lost Highway was a tribute
>> to Meshes of the Afternoon
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:36 PM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>> D
>>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>> inverted way.
>>>
>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>> --scott
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:40:50 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> No that was Lost Highway
>> P
>>
>>
>> At 22:36 +0100 14/02/18, David Kidman wrote:
>>
>>> Isn¹t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>> D
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:50:58 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> Man with a Movie Camera, by Dziga Vertov?
>>
>> El 14 feb. 2018 22:36, "David Kidman" <david.kidman at gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>> D
>>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>> inverted way.
>>>
>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>> --scott
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:20:26 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> I hesitated to put them both forward, but definitely both.
>> There is also 12 monkeys as a fully paid-up La Jetée remake.
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>> On 15 Feb 2018, at 02:20, Christopher Ball <cbifilms at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I always thought that the first few minutes of Lost Highway was a tribute
>> to Meshes of the Afternoon
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:36 PM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>> D
>>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>> inverted way.
>>>
>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>> --scott
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>> Cc:
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:08:30 +0300
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>> cinema
>> american beauty
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:36 AM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>> inverted way.
>>>
>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>
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>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Elena Duque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:28:25 +0100
>> Subject: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
>> Dear Frameworkers
>>
>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance!
>>
>> --
>> Elena Duque Viña
>> Telf: (+34) 605431072 <+34%20605%2043%2010%2072>
>> http://cargocollective.com/elenaduque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Pip Chodorov <frameworks at re-voir.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:39:42 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde
>> classics
>> Dear Elena,
>>
>> Many filmmakers don't want their films shown digitally. A good example is
>> Stan Brakhage. It really denatures the intended image. Other filmmakers are
>> more tolerant, such as Jonas Mekas. It is a big debate.
>>
>> At Re:Voir in Paris we have digital files for our VOD platform and
>> DVD/Blu-Ray publishing but these are meant only for home video, and though
>> we do get requests for screenings we always encourage programmers to screen
>> film prints from the coops. A 16mm projector is really quite affordable.
>> But if the programmers insist and if the filmmakers agree, we can rent
>> files.
>>
>> In any case it is important to write in your screening programs and to
>> tell the audience that you are showing electronic reproductions. Just as if
>> you go to a museum you expect to see original paintings, not photocopies,
>> so reproductions would be indicated on the title card. It is important to
>> educate your audience and show them films on film!
>>
>> Pip Chodorov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:28 +0100 15/02/18, Elena Duque wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Elena Duque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:53:03 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde
>> classics
>> Thanks, Pip
>>
>> I totally understand that, and I work for a festival that is very aware
>> of that ((S8) Mostra de Cinema Periférico in A Coruña). Ideally, I would
>> suggest them to project in 16mm, but this is a test screening in a small
>> Spanish town, happening in a month and a half thanks to a venue they just
>> got recently. So, there is no time and no money for this edition (besides
>> of getting a projector, it would be necessary to hire a projectionist and
>> pay for the shipping of the prints), but hopefully we will be able to that
>> properly next year. So, I'm trying to do my best with what's available, in
>> a place with no avant garde screenings tradition whatsoever. It is
>> important to be aware of the context, and as much as I think that the
>> analog screening is a totally different experience, I think this is better
>> than nothing. We go little by little, trying to create a new audience that
>> does not exist now!
>>
>> Given that, thank you very much for your suggestion! I will look through
>> your catalogue and maybe I will make you some enquiries, trying to be
>> respectful to all the filmmakers involved.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> 2018-02-15 12:39 GMT+01:00 Pip Chodorov <frameworks at re-voir.com>:
>>
>>> Dear Elena,
>>>
>>> Many filmmakers don't want their films shown digitally. A good example
>>> is Stan Brakhage. It really denatures the intended image. Other filmmakers
>>> are more tolerant, such as Jonas Mekas. It is a big debate.
>>>
>>> At Re:Voir in Paris we have digital files for our VOD platform and
>>> DVD/Blu-Ray publishing but these are meant only for home video, and though
>>> we do get requests for screenings we always encourage programmers to screen
>>> film prints from the coops. A 16mm projector is really quite affordable.
>>> But if the programmers insist and if the filmmakers agree, we can rent
>>> files.
>>>
>>> In any case it is important to write in your screening programs and to
>>> tell the audience that you are showing electronic reproductions. Just as if
>>> you go to a museum you expect to see original paintings, not photocopies,
>>> so reproductions would be indicated on the title card. It is important to
>>> educate your audience and show them films on film!
>>>
>>> Pip Chodorov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 12:28 +0100 15/02/18, Elena Duque wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>>>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>>>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>>>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>>>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>>>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>>>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>>>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>>>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> FrameWorks mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Telf: (+34) 605431072 <+34%20605%2043%2010%2072>
>> http://cargocollective.com/elenaduque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>>
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> Modern and Contemporary Art
> Department of Art
> Oberlin College
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