[Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about avant-garde cinema
Scott MacDonald
smacdona at hamilton.edu
Thu Feb 15 14:52:56 UTC 2018
*Chuck Workman's Visionaries (2010) is a feature-length documentary about
American avant-garde film, using Jonas Mekas as nodal point.*
*There is also Workman's What Is Cinema? (2013), which--as I
remember--includes "avant-garde" filmmaking within a larger context.*
*Workman <calliopefilms at gmail.com <calliopefilms at gmail.com>>*
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Warren Cockerham <warrencockerham at gmail.com
> wrote:
> There's also Knox Harrington - a video artist.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM, James Hansen <james.p.hansen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Michael Almereyda's Hamlet turns the title character into an experimental
>> film/video artist. Worth a look.
>>
>>
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>>> 1. Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Albert Alcoz)
>>> 2. EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018 (Edwin Rostron)
>>> 3. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Pablo Marin)
>>> 4. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Pablo Marin)
>>> 5. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Scott Dorsey)
>>> 6. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Francisco Torres)
>>> 7. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Esperanza Collado)
>>> 8. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (David Kidman)
>>> 9. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Christopher Ball)
>>> 10. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Pip Chodorov)
>>> 11. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Elena Duque)
>>> 12. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (David Kidman)
>>> 13. Re: Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde cinema
>>> (Cari Machet)
>>> 14. Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics (Elena Duque)
>>> 15. Re: Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
>>> (Pip Chodorov)
>>> 16. Re: Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde classics
>>> (Elena Duque)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:01:55 +0100
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute
>>> to Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>>>
>>> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
>>> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
>>> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
>>> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
>>> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
>>> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>>>
>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>>>
>>> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
>>> understood under this idea.
>>>
>>> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>>>
>>> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Albert
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>>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:33:21 +0000
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] EDGE OF FRAME WEEKEND 2018
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>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Pablo Marin <pamarin82 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>,
>>> Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
>>> Cc:
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> Hi Albert,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mmm... David Holzman's Diary?
>>>
>>> Maybe some Godard would fit as well...
>>>
>>> Best!
>>> Pablo.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 9:02, Albert Alcoz
>>> <albertalcoz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute
>>> to Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>>>
>>> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
>>> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
>>> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
>>> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
>>> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
>>> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>>>
>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>>>
>>> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
>>> understood under this idea.
>>>
>>> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>>>
>>> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Albert
>>> --
>>> http://visionaryfilm.net/ <http://www.visionaryfilm.net/>
>>> http://albertalcoz.com/ <http://www.albertalcoz.com/>
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>>> From: Pablo Marin <pamarin82 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>,
>>> Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com>
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> Hi Albert,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mmm... David Holzman's Diary?
>>>
>>> Maybe some Godard would fit as well...
>>>
>>> Best!
>>> Pablo.
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 9:02, Albert Alcoz
>>> <albertalcoz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Do you recall any fiction feature length film that is a sort of tribute
>>> to Avant-Garde or experimental film?
>>>
>>> The other day, watching the film *Arrebato* (1980) by Iván Zulueta for
>>> ten times I was wondering about feature lengths films (on 35 mm or digital
>>> video) where one of the main topic is the practice of Avant-Garde film. We
>>> could say this Spanish film is a homage to experimental super 8 film. The
>>> main character does horror films and the other is learning how to use the
>>> "pause" and the interval timer with his Canon 1014.
>>>
>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078797/
>>>
>>> I don't know if there are some other fiction films that could be
>>> understood under this idea.
>>>
>>> Maybe *Dreams that Money Can't Buy *(1947)?
>>>
>>> Do you have some other titles in mind?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Albert
>>> --
>>> http://visionaryfilm.net/ <http://www.visionaryfilm.net/>
>>> http://albertalcoz.com/ <http://www.albertalcoz.com/>
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>>> From: Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>
>>> To: frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com, pamarin82 at yahoo.com
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>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:22:32 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>> --scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:36:47 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>
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>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>
>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:09:32 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>> inverted way.
>>>
>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>> --scott
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:36:05 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>> D
>>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>> inverted way.
>>>
>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>> --scott
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:20:45 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> I always thought that the first few minutes of Lost Highway was a
>>> tribute to Meshes of the Afternoon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:36 PM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>>> D
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <
>>>> esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>>> inverted way.
>>>>
>>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>>> --scott
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:40:50 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> No that was Lost Highway
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> At 22:36 +0100 14/02/18, David Kidman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn¹t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>>> D
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:50:58 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> Man with a Movie Camera, by Dziga Vertov?
>>>
>>> El 14 feb. 2018 22:36, "David Kidman" <david.kidman at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>>> D
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <
>>>> esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>>> inverted way.
>>>>
>>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>>> --scott
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>>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:20:26 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> I hesitated to put them both forward, but definitely both.
>>> There is also 12 monkeys as a fully paid-up La Jetée remake.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Feb 2018, at 02:20, Christopher Ball <cbifilms at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I always thought that the first few minutes of Lost Highway was a
>>> tribute to Meshes of the Afternoon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:36 PM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>>> D
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <
>>>> esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>>> inverted way.
>>>>
>>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>>> --scott
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>>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:08:30 +0300
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Fiction feature length films about Avant-Garde
>>> cinema
>>> american beauty
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:36 AM, David Kidman <david.kidman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn’t Mulholland Drive a remake of Meshes of the Afternoon?
>>>> D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 20:09, Esperanza Collado <
>>>> esperanzacollado1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if *We Can't Go Back Home Again* by Nicholas Ray could be
>>>> understood as such but for sure it plays with those ideas perhaps in an
>>>> inverted way.
>>>>
>>>> 2018-02-14 17:36 GMT+01:00 Francisco Torres <fjtorrespr at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> After the Fox 1966
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZKUx91MFI
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-14 11:22 GMT-04:00 Scott Dorsey <kludge at panix.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SORT OF MAYBE: A Zed And Two Noughts.
>>>>>> --scott
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>>> From: Elena Duque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
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>>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:28:25 +0100
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde
>>> classics
>>> Dear Frameworkers
>>>
>>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much in advance!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elena Duque Viña
>>> Telf: (+34) 605431072 <+34%20605%2043%2010%2072>
>>> http://cargocollective.com/elenaduque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Pip Chodorov <frameworks at re-voir.com>
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:39:42 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde
>>> classics
>>> Dear Elena,
>>>
>>> Many filmmakers don't want their films shown digitally. A good example
>>> is Stan Brakhage. It really denatures the intended image. Other filmmakers
>>> are more tolerant, such as Jonas Mekas. It is a big debate.
>>>
>>> At Re:Voir in Paris we have digital files for our VOD platform and
>>> DVD/Blu-Ray publishing but these are meant only for home video, and though
>>> we do get requests for screenings we always encourage programmers to screen
>>> film prints from the coops. A 16mm projector is really quite affordable.
>>> But if the programmers insist and if the filmmakers agree, we can rent
>>> files.
>>>
>>> In any case it is important to write in your screening programs and to
>>> tell the audience that you are showing electronic reproductions. Just as if
>>> you go to a museum you expect to see original paintings, not photocopies,
>>> so reproductions would be indicated on the title card. It is important to
>>> educate your audience and show them films on film!
>>>
>>> Pip Chodorov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 12:28 +0100 15/02/18, Elena Duque wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>>>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>>>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>>>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>>>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>>>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>>>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>>>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>>>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Elena Duque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:53:03 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Sources for digital "prints" of avant garde
>>> classics
>>> Thanks, Pip
>>>
>>> I totally understand that, and I work for a festival that is very aware
>>> of that ((S8) Mostra de Cinema Periférico in A Coruña). Ideally, I would
>>> suggest them to project in 16mm, but this is a test screening in a small
>>> Spanish town, happening in a month and a half thanks to a venue they just
>>> got recently. So, there is no time and no money for this edition (besides
>>> of getting a projector, it would be necessary to hire a projectionist and
>>> pay for the shipping of the prints), but hopefully we will be able to that
>>> properly next year. So, I'm trying to do my best with what's available, in
>>> a place with no avant garde screenings tradition whatsoever. It is
>>> important to be aware of the context, and as much as I think that the
>>> analog screening is a totally different experience, I think this is better
>>> than nothing. We go little by little, trying to create a new audience that
>>> does not exist now!
>>>
>>> Given that, thank you very much for your suggestion! I will look through
>>> your catalogue and maybe I will make you some enquiries, trying to be
>>> respectful to all the filmmakers involved.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> 2018-02-15 12:39 GMT+01:00 Pip Chodorov <frameworks at re-voir.com>:
>>>
>>>> Dear Elena,
>>>>
>>>> Many filmmakers don't want their films shown digitally. A good example
>>>> is Stan Brakhage. It really denatures the intended image. Other filmmakers
>>>> are more tolerant, such as Jonas Mekas. It is a big debate.
>>>>
>>>> At Re:Voir in Paris we have digital files for our VOD platform and
>>>> DVD/Blu-Ray publishing but these are meant only for home video, and though
>>>> we do get requests for screenings we always encourage programmers to screen
>>>> film prints from the coops. A 16mm projector is really quite affordable.
>>>> But if the programmers insist and if the filmmakers agree, we can rent
>>>> files.
>>>>
>>>> In any case it is important to write in your screening programs and to
>>>> tell the audience that you are showing electronic reproductions. Just as if
>>>> you go to a museum you expect to see original paintings, not photocopies,
>>>> so reproductions would be indicated on the title card. It is important to
>>>> educate your audience and show them films on film!
>>>>
>>>> Pip Chodorov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 12:28 +0100 15/02/18, Elena Duque wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to put together a couple of programs as a sort of
>>>>> introduction to experimental cinema for the audience of a small festival in
>>>>> a small town. They don't have the possibility to project in 16mm or 35mm
>>>>> (not this year at least), so I need to find digital files available to rent
>>>>> and screen. I have been browsing through the catalogues of all the
>>>>> cooperatives and distributors I could think of, but I am still missing some
>>>>> things I consider important. For instance, Stan Brakhage and Marie Menken.
>>>>> Do you know of any source, cooperative, distributor or individual, where I
>>>>> can find digital "prints" to rent?
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Telf: (+34) 605431072 <+34%20605%2043%2010%2072>
>>> http://cargocollective.com/elenaduque <elenaduque at gmail.com>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> Visiting Assistant Professor
>> Modern and Contemporary Art
>> Department of Art
>> Oberlin College
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