[Frameworks] FW: New book: Experimental Film and Photochemical Practices

[Eric Theise]

Had Fred Camper not signed off on my application to take a pair of
animation courses at the Art Institute of Chicago as electives when I was
finishing up a business major at another university – no portfolio to back
me up, just a demonstrable but basic knowledge of the discipline – it would
have taken me a lot longer to find my way to experimental film. He may not
even be aware of this so here's a long overdue and explicit "thank you
Fred". During my last few years in Chicago I found his writing on film and
art in the Reader and other outlets to be helpful, thoughtful critiques of
what was happening all over town and, after leaving Chicago, I've always
found him willing to intelligently field arbitrary questions about
filmmakers.

So I'll argue that your assessment is completely off base, Bruce, and I'm
surprised that you'd be the one to lob an ad hominem attack into the first
new thread on Frameworks' new host.

I'm wary of enforced civility but I've been encouraged to see the effects
of Codes of Conduct on software development mailing lists and at
conferences in both engineering and the liberal arts. I've asked a few
people on Facebook why they don't participate here and until this thread
thought that their reasons for staying away were historic.

And since we have neither Code of Conduct nor Framework FAQ I'll point out
that at the bottom of every single list message is the email address where
you can submit a message (so that you don't have to hijack someone else's
thread when you want to post about your screening/equipment for sale/studio
for lease) and a link to the Frameworks/mailman configuration page where
you can click through the archives, change useful (receive individual
messages or digest, copies of your own posts) and obscure settings, or
unsubscribe/resubscribe.

Eric

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 2:59 PM Bruce Cooper <brucecooper77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fred, don't put Chicago after your name  - you aren't worthy of that
> city.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 5:48 PM Fred Camper <f at fredcamper.com> wrote:
>
>> Ryder,
>>
>> I was going to reply to Roddy's idiotic post, even though I have
>> generally tried to ignore him based on past experience, and thought
>> better of it, but now you have (unintentionally) inspired me to enter.
>>
>> Respectfully, I disagree with you. In fact, I would like to see more
>> criticism of things posted to FrameWords. Someone posts a video that you
>> dislike; tell us what's wrong with it. We are adults; we should be able
>> to take it. But don't talk about it unless you view all of it, and with
>> care.
>>
>> The problem instead is that Roddy posted a review of a book based on the
>> first four pages. He seems to be proud of himself for having read four
>> pages and formed an opinion based on them. The amount of irresponsible
>> disrespect inherent in sending such a critique to, what is it, a
>> thousand people who are serious about film in all parts of the world, is
>> mind-boggling. Why would anyone be interested in his opinion of the
>> first four pages. Roddy, books often start in one place and end up in
>> another, as you ought to know if you have ever read any. I would never
>> post an opinion on the first four minutes of a three hour video, or even
>> the first two hours of it. Someone who would write a critique on the
>> first four pages of a book sounds like someone who is only more
>> interested in broadcasting their own thinking than in learning from
>> others.
>>
>> I have occasionally learned from books I disliked on topics that
>> interested me, because the process of reading the whole thing becomes a
>> process of finding out, through your own objections, what you think.
>>
>> The distinction I am making is important to me. Read a whole book, and,
>> if you disagree with it, construct an answer, a critique, an objection.
>> That is showing respect. Commenting on the first four pages is not only
>> disrespectful, but moronic.
>>
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago.
>>
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