[Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
Laura McGough
lmcgough at buffalo.edu
Tue Feb 9 18:29:17 UTC 2021
Not a film, but Tobe Carey made a wonderful video in the late 1970s in which the image of his son playing a video game is layered over the game itself.
Laura
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Beth Warshafsky <bskyearth at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ericka Beckman's film Haitus directly engages the video game.
> It's recent incarnation is a 2 screen composition which increases the effect.
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> Beth Warshafsky
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:41:23 +0100
> Subject: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Albert Alcoz
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:01:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Ericka Beckman's work engages virtual/constructed reality and game-playing, often using video graphics and 16mm/Super 8 film together.
>
> tara nelson
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:43 PM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Albert Alcoz
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:05:28 +0000
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>
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Albert Alcoz
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:16:51 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Hey Albert
>
> Great topic!
> I would ad to the list:
>
> Super Mario Sleeping 1997 by Miltos Manetas
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sWS5eWFio&ab_channel=MILTOSMANETAS <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sWS5eWFio&ab_channel=MILTOSMANETAS>
>
> Your Mission is a failure -mechwarrior 1996 by Miguel Soares
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vKX2fLv2eRs&ab_channel=MiguelSoares <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vKX2fLv2eRs&ab_channel=MiguelSoares>
> Your Mission is a failure - dark forces 1996 by Miguel Soares
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wTPacduOZg&ab_channel=MiguelSoares <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wTPacduOZg&ab_channel=MiguelSoares>
>
> Kool Aid Man in Second Life 2010 by Jon Rafman
> https://vimeo.com/64792540 <https://vimeo.com/64792540>
>
> Best
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 07:43:04 PM GMT, Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Albert Alcoz
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:23:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Hi Albert,
>
> The Air of the Earth in Your Lungs by Ross Meckfessel comes to mind:
> https://vimeo.com/272692098 <https://vimeo.com/272692098>
>
> Best,
> Max
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 9:07 PM LIPKIN, BENJAMIN <BENJAMIN.LIPKIN at purchase.edu <mailto:BENJAMIN.LIPKIN at purchase.edu>> wrote:
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> From: Frameworks <frameworks-bounces at film-gallery.org <mailto:frameworks-bounces at film-gallery.org>> on behalf of Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 2:41 PM
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>
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Albert Alcoz
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:53:09 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Hi Albert,
> Some other artists who mostly work within game environments that might be of interest:
> Jodi
> Brody Condon
> RetroYou
> also Rosa Menkman has made some VR Glitch installations over the past few years.
>
> Gaming Essays on Algorithmic Culture by Alexander Galloway may also be of interest to you, particularly the essays "Origins of the First Person Shooter" which traces moments in film history which foresee elements of FPS aesthetic (going back to the 1920s) and "Countergaming" which details artistic appropriations of video game technology.
>
> Best,
> Ts.
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:42 AM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Albert Alcoz
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 13:00:05 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Ian Cheng as well, does sort of simulation-style things that play in galleries. Definitely more on the game side, but presented no a similar setting to much video work.
>
> Best,
> Jack
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:54 PM T. Siddle <tsiddle at gmail.com <mailto:tsiddle at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Albert,
> Some other artists who mostly work within game environments that might be of interest:
> Jodi
> Brody Condon
> RetroYou
> also Rosa Menkman has made some VR Glitch installations over the past few years.
>
> Gaming Essays on Algorithmic Culture by Alexander Galloway may also be of interest to you, particularly the essays "Origins of the First Person Shooter" which traces moments in film history which foresee elements of FPS aesthetic (going back to the 1920s) and "Countergaming" which details artistic appropriations of video game technology.
>
> Best,
> Ts.
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:42 AM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Albert Alcoz
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> There's all of machinima that does this. I wrote something in Found Footage 6 about Peggy Ahwesh's work with Tomb Raider in She Puppet and Alex Hovet's Counter-Charge if you're looking for references too.
> Also Cory Archangel's Super Mario Clowds.
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>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Jack Seibert <jackseibert2 at gmail.com <mailto:jackseibert2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Ian Cheng as well, does sort of simulation-style things that play in galleries. Definitely more on the game side, but presented no a similar setting to much video work.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jack
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:54 PM T. Siddle <tsiddle at gmail.com <mailto:tsiddle at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Albert,
>> Some other artists who mostly work within game environments that might be of interest:
>> Jodi
>> Brody Condon
>> RetroYou
>> also Rosa Menkman has made some VR Glitch installations over the past few years.
>>
>> Gaming Essays on Algorithmic Culture by Alexander Galloway may also be of interest to you, particularly the essays "Origins of the First Person Shooter" which traces moments in film history which foresee elements of FPS aesthetic (going back to the 1920s) and "Countergaming" which details artistic appropriations of video game technology.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ts.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:42 AM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>>
>> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>>
>> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>>
>> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>>
>> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>>
>> Films and videos:
>> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
>> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
>> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
>> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
>> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
>> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
>> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
>> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
>> The Game, Tasman Richardson
>> Chris Marker's Second Life
>> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
>> Cubica, m.ash
>> Harun Farocki
>> Joan Leandre
>>
>> Resources:
>> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
>> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
>> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
>> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>>
>> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
>> Thank you very much,
>>
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Phil Solomon in some of his last projected works was using footage from video games. Also Cory Archangel.
>
> John
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> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 4:49 PM Michael Betancourt <hinterland.movies at gmail.com <mailto:hinterland.movies at gmail.com>> wrote:
> There's all of machinima that does this. I wrote something in Found Footage 6 about Peggy Ahwesh's work with Tomb Raider in She Puppet and Alex Hovet's Counter-Charge if you're looking for references too.
> Also Cory Archangel's Super Mario Clowds.
>
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>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Jack Seibert <jackseibert2 at gmail.com <mailto:jackseibert2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ian Cheng as well, does sort of simulation-style things that play in galleries. Definitely more on the game side, but presented no a similar setting to much video work.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jack
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:54 PM T. Siddle <tsiddle at gmail.com <mailto:tsiddle at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Albert,
>> Some other artists who mostly work within game environments that might be of interest:
>> Jodi
>> Brody Condon
>> RetroYou
>> also Rosa Menkman has made some VR Glitch installations over the past few years.
>>
>> Gaming Essays on Algorithmic Culture by Alexander Galloway may also be of interest to you, particularly the essays "Origins of the First Person Shooter" which traces moments in film history which foresee elements of FPS aesthetic (going back to the 1920s) and "Countergaming" which details artistic appropriations of video game technology.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ts.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:42 AM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>>
>> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>>
>> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>>
>> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>>
>> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>>
>> Films and videos:
>> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
>> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
>> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
>> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
>> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
>> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
>> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
>> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
>> The Game, Tasman Richardson
>> Chris Marker's Second Life
>> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
>> Cubica, m.ash
>> Harun Farocki
>> Joan Leandre
>>
>> Resources:
>> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
>> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
>> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
>> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>>
>> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
>> Thank you very much,
>>
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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:40:03 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> I think these three work more with games and interactive environments, but they have some video work as well:
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> Nico Daunt
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> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:19 PM John Knecht <jknecht at colgate.edu <mailto:jknecht at colgate.edu>> wrote:
> Phil Solomon in some of his last projected works was using footage from video games. Also Cory Archangel.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 4:49 PM Michael Betancourt <hinterland.movies at gmail.com <mailto:hinterland.movies at gmail.com>> wrote:
> There's all of machinima that does this. I wrote something in Found Footage 6 about Peggy Ahwesh's work with Tomb Raider in She Puppet and Alex Hovet's Counter-Charge if you're looking for references too.
> Also Cory Archangel's Super Mario Clowds.
>
>
> Michael
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>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Jack Seibert <jackseibert2 at gmail.com <mailto:jackseibert2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ian Cheng as well, does sort of simulation-style things that play in galleries. Definitely more on the game side, but presented no a similar setting to much video work.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jack
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:54 PM T. Siddle <tsiddle at gmail.com <mailto:tsiddle at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Albert,
>> Some other artists who mostly work within game environments that might be of interest:
>> Jodi
>> Brody Condon
>> RetroYou
>> also Rosa Menkman has made some VR Glitch installations over the past few years.
>>
>> Gaming Essays on Algorithmic Culture by Alexander Galloway may also be of interest to you, particularly the essays "Origins of the First Person Shooter" which traces moments in film history which foresee elements of FPS aesthetic (going back to the 1920s) and "Countergaming" which details artistic appropriations of video game technology.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ts.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:42 AM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>>
>> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>>
>> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>>
>> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>>
>> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>>
>> Films and videos:
>> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
>> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
>> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
>> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
>> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
>> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
>> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
>> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
>> The Game, Tasman Richardson
>> Chris Marker's Second Life
>> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
>> Cubica, m.ash
>> Harun Farocki
>> Joan Leandre
>>
>> Resources:
>> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
>> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
>> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
>> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>>
>> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
>> Thank you very much,
>>
>> Albert Alcoz
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> Ip Yuk-Yiu made several great pieces within environments from Call of Duty, etc: The Plastic Garden, Cloud Fall, Another Day of Depression in Kowloon.
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> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Albert Alcoz wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>>
>> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>>
>> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>>
>> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>>
>> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>> Films and videos:
>> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
>> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
>> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
>> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
>> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
>> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
>> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
>> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
>> The Game, Tasman Richardson
>> Chris Marker's Second Life
>> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
>> Cubica, m.ash
>> Harun Farocki
>> Joan Leandre
>>
>> Resources:
>> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
>> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
>> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
>> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>>
>> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
>> Thank you very much,
>>
>> Albert Alcoz
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> Subject: [Frameworks] Live Now: Holly Fisher's "Deafening Silence" (online screening)
> Live chat with the artist at 9:15pm ET
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> Watch here: https://microscopegallery.com/holly-fisher-deafening-silence-watch/ <https://microscopegallery.com/holly-fisher-deafening-silence-watch/>
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> Microscope is pleased to present, in consideration of this week’s events in Myanmar (formerly Burma), a special online screening of “Deafening Silence,” a 2012 documentary film by New York-based artist Holly Fisher. The event is taking place in collaboration with Re:Voir / The Film Gallery in Paris, France.
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> In addition to a live chat with Fisher that will follow the initial screening on Monday February 8th at 9:15 pm ET, there will also be a live conversation via Zoom with the filmmaker, several individuals interviewed in the documentary, and Pip Chodorov (Re:Voir/The Film Gallery) on a date still TBA. The documentary by Fisher will remain on view until Saturday February 13, 10:30pm PT.
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> Deafening Silence presents the reality of daily life of citizens living under brutal, military-led dictator rule in Myanmar through original footage of and interviews during two separate trips by Fisher to the country in 1996/97 and 2003. The first was a legal visit in which Fisher posed as a “fake tour guide,” while for the second she entered the country on foot and connected with two people from her earlier trip as well as with ethnic minority guerillas in order to film in a free-fire war zone.
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> Glimpses of bucolic life in rural parts of the country are intercut with archival colonial footage or segments from YouTube videos presenting the actual state of political terror, persecution at all levels of everyday life, and ethnic genocide. Scenes of rejection of the results of democratic elections and the military overtaking power, as well as the liberation from house arrest of Aung San Suu Kyi on November 13 2010 are especially poignant in the context of last week’s dark events including the new military coup and the jailing of Suu Kyi and other democratically elected officials.
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> Deafening Silence
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> Music: Mun Awng (Dennis Dawes), among others
> With: Zarni, Naw May Oo, Saw Mg Hla, Moethee Zun, Min Zin, Dr. Vum Son Suantak, Vicki Armour-Hileman, others from Burmese, Chin, Karen, Mon, Shan, Rohingya ethnic communities
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> “Deafening Silence is a fusion of beauty and terror, observation and anger, roving visuals and intimate stories that are funny, contemplative, or horrific – a subjective, layered depiction of Burma under brutal military dictatorship. My first trip was legal, shooting video as a fake tour guide doing research. The next was on foot, under-cover with ethnic Karen guerrillas, to film internal exiles surviving in a free-fire jungle war zone. Colonial archival imagery and clips from YouTube are woven within this tapestry of fragments, often in ironic counterpoint, and always to pierce the chokehold of censorship. This is a living history of a country arrested in time, a hybrid documentary focusing on ethnic genocide but with constant poetic resonance and a rich multiplicity of references to history and popular culture.” – Hank Heifetz and Holly Fisher
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> … she crafts a nonfiction tone poem that feels more like Apocalypse Now than any doc I can think of. …There are frequent moments of joy and grace, both small and large, captured in Deafening Silence. It’s those small heartbeats, the candle in the wind of love against hate, right against might, that holds the truly unshakeable hope for the future. – Dan Schindel, film critic
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> Holly Fisher is a filmmaker and artist active since the mid-sixties. Her experimental short works and long-form essay films –– explorations in time, memory, trauma, and perception –– have been screened in museums and film festivals worldwide including Whitney Museum Biennials; Centre Pompidou, Paris; Film Forum, Japan; and the Berlin Film Festival, Berlin, Germany. She has had solo retrospectives at The Museum of Modern Art (1995) and Anthology Film Archives (2019) and has received multiple grants from The Jerome Foundation, NYSCA, CAPS, and The American Film Institute, among others. She was the editor of Christine Choy and Renee Tajima-Peña’s feature documentary Who Killed Vincent Chin?, which was nominated for an Oscar in 1989. In the past few years, Fisher has made works from amateur film and video sources including 8mm film, iPhone and Kindle, for screening and for installation settings. Fisher lives and works in New York.
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> I will mention a book I just read, although it focuses more on mainstream cinema than experimental film:
> "Gaming Film: How Games are Reshaping Contemporary Cinema” by Jasmine Kallay 2013 Palgrave MacMillan.
>
> The research includes interactive media, new narrative architectures, new uses of multi-screen editing, space and time, films that repeat events like levels in a game, transmedia, and hybrid experiences that combine the watching of film with the playing of games.
>
> An interesting idea for example: film theorists using psychoanalysis, like Metz, related the viewer to pathologies like voyeurism and fetichism, the desire to watch without being seen. This book posits new pathologies for interactive media, like paranoid schizophrenia, the desire to kill every other character, the multiple selves of role playing. Other film theories are explored, such as suture when the viewer is not absent. The conclusion focuses on playable films.
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> - Pip Chodorov
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>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games? I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
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> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 08:30:44 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Albert,
>
> Consider: Evan Meaney
> https://www.evanmeaney.com/#film <https://www.evanmeaney.com/#film>
>
> All best
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> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 8:43 PM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
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> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
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> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:15:23 +0600
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> I second looking at Evan Meaney. Video game imagery is very widespread throughout glitch film work. The first glitch video was made using a video game console! Digital TV Dinner <https://youtu.be/Ad9zdlaRvdM>
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 1:39 PM Peter Freund <surplus.lack at gmail.com <mailto:surplus.lack at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Albert,
>
> Consider: Evan Meaney
> https://www.evanmeaney.com/#film <https://www.evanmeaney.com/#film>
>
> All best
> Peter
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>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 8:43 PM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
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> Subject: [Frameworks] fuji print film?
> As far as I know Fuji discontinued producing 16mm-film a few years ago.
> I just got a new 35mm-print back from a lab and was surprised that they used „Fujicolor-printfilm (CL Safety ▪️12-AJ 256).
> Is Fuji still producing 35mm-film or is this printfilm an old(er) stock?
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> I have the last box of Fuji 16mm reala out of the factory, and it is probably 10 years old. I didn't think they were still making print film, and if that is old stock, it is really old.
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:10 AM Viktoria Schmid <viktoriaaaschmid at gmail.com <mailto:viktoriaaaschmid at gmail.com>> wrote:
> As far as I know Fuji discontinued producing 16mm-film a few years ago.
> I just got a new 35mm-print back from a lab and was surprised that they used „Fujicolor-printfilm (CL Safety ▪️12-AJ 256).
> Is Fuji still producing 35mm-film or is this printfilm an old(er) stock?
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> Your print stock is from the second quarter of 2012. (12-AJ= 2012, April-June). Getting this info from my copy of Harold Brown’s Physical Characteristics of Early Films as aids to identification, aka the FIAF bible or edge codes.
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>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 07:34, Christopher Ball <cbifilms at gmail.com <mailto:cbifilms at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> I have the last box of Fuji 16mm reala out of the factory, and it is probably 10 years old. I didn't think they were still making print film, and if that is old stock, it is really old.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:10 AM Viktoria Schmid <viktoriaaaschmid at gmail.com <mailto:viktoriaaaschmid at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> As far as I know Fuji discontinued producing 16mm-film a few years ago.
>> I just got a new 35mm-print back from a lab and was surprised that they used „Fujicolor-printfilm (CL Safety ▪️12-AJ 256).
>> Is Fuji still producing 35mm-film or is this printfilm an old(er) stock?
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> Wild Gunman (1978) by Craig Baldwin
> Counter-Charge (2015) by Alex. Hovet
> Kent Lambert's "Reckoning" Series
> OPERATION JANE WALK (2018) Leonhard Müllner, Robin Klengel
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:43 PM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
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> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental cinema and video games
> Lots of great work already mentioned! A few more came to mind:
>
> Michael A Morris - I Can't Wait to Meet You There <https://vimeo.com/38970593>
> Videofreex - Video Games <https://www.vdb.org/titles/video-games> ;-)
> Claire Evans and Mike Merrill - Modern Warfare <https://vimeo.com/17789896>
> Skawennati - TimeTraveller <https://www.timetravellertm.com/episodes/>
> A few things by Eddo Stern <https://eddostern.com/>
>
> J
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 8:53 AM Warren Cockerham <warrencockerham at gmail.com <mailto:warrencockerham at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Wild Gunman (1978) by Craig Baldwin
> Counter-Charge (2015) by Alex. Hovet
> Kent Lambert's "Reckoning" Series
> OPERATION JANE WALK (2018) Leonhard Müllner, Robin Klengel
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:43 PM Albert Alcoz <albertalcoz at gmail.com <mailto:albertalcoz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Do you know experimental films or videos that use images taken from video games?
>
> I wanted to write something concerning the relationship between both areas but I don't know the point of view, yet. There are some films like Oh, I Can't Stop! (1976) by Zbig Rybczynski they seem to foresee the First-Person Shooter (FPS) of known videogames as Doom. That could be one point of departure, finding experimental films that could have influenced video games.
>
> Another approach would be to try to write about those works that use video game images as found footage. In fact this link between these two fields admits dozens of different analyzes, I suppose and I'm just searching to know more about it.
>
> Anyway, could you mention films that come to mind on this subject? Some resources, articles or books, maybe?
>
> Right now the list of titles I have is the following:
>
> Films and videos:
> Super Mario Clouds, Cory Arcangel
> I Shot Andy Warhol, Cory Arcangel
> She Puppet, Peggy Ahwesh
> Still Remember, Still Dreaming, Phil Solomon
> Last Days in a Lonely Place, Phil Solomon
> No No Nooky T.V. de Barbara Hammer
> Windshield Baby Gameboy Movie, Clint Enns
> And We All Shine On, Michael Robinson
> The Game, Tasman Richardson
> Chris Marker's Second Life
> Estrecho Adventure, Valeriano López
> Cubica, m.ash
> Harun Farocki
> Joan Leandre
>
> Resources:
> Screening: Avant-Game program at the Melnitz Movies, Los Angeles Filmforum
> Exhibition: Games for Windows: Experiments with Game Footage
> Website: https://monoskop.org/Game_art <https://monoskop.org/Game_art>
> Playlist: Game over (Xcèntric): http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181 <http://xcentric.cccb.org/en/menus/fitxa/game-over-/233181>
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated.
> Thank you very much,
>
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